lilredrooster
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November 16th, 2017 at 4:14:22 PM permalink
pretty hard to believe

http://kdvr.com/2017/11/15/casino-customers-prosecuted-for-playing-abandoned-slot-credits/
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RS
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November 16th, 2017 at 4:45:41 PM permalink
Damn, that's like.....the exact opposite thing you want to do as a casino. I suspect they're getting pressured by their gaming agency and/or state (same thing maybe?), because the state likely gets a majority of that money. But that's still weird.

Assuming the casino isn't forced to bring charges against the players stealing $2 or whatever, it'd be much better in about every possible way to:

1. Don't worry about it, let it go. Only "go after" the sleezebags that are buffalo hunting / silver mining, or whatever you call it (people who walk the aisles, cashing out anything they see).
2. Next time player is in the casino, confront them and tell them they can't play off abandoned credits.
3. Put up some signs or some disclaimer saying it's illegal to play off abandoned credits, but still follow #1 and #2 above.

Quote: article

A dozen or so cases involved what appeared to be intentional criminal behavior: Cheating at roulette, wandering around slot machine to slot machine looking for credits, failing to honor a raise in poker, and failing to provide valid identification for IRS purposes after winning a $1,000 jackpot.


Wait, wut?
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FleaStiff
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November 16th, 2017 at 4:48:27 PM permalink
Utterly absurd. If the casino wants those credits so badly they should electronically seize them rather than having revenue officers with handcuffs lurk in the area.

Signage would be a simple matter.
onenickelmiracle
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November 16th, 2017 at 6:15:57 PM permalink
I abandoned a $16 Tito and security gave two chits. They pull out every ticket with not a care, not really sure what they do about hunting down the rightful owners. Supposedly it all goes to charity, but I'm not sure I believe it.
Looks like sh!t just got imaginary!
beachmonkey
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November 16th, 2017 at 7:15:20 PM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

I abandoned a $16 Tito and security gave two chits. They pull out every ticket with not a care, not really sure what they do about hunting down the rightful owners. Supposedly it all goes to charity, but I'm not sure I believe it.


I think it depends on the staff roster as some staff are diligently doing the job to the casino specs others are a bit more relaxed. I have on an odd occasion left money in a machine gone back and it is gone, at the cage I mentioned to the cashier that it should have been more to enter into my cage account than what I was depositing, she ask why I told her about left ticket etc ie itís long gone, she got a suit to come with me to machine no one there no money etc Next day at cage withdrawal of day bank I was asked to wait, after some time a suit gave me paperwork for $120 odd claim . They tracked down the other person and got the cash from them. On another occasion I had dropped a ticket somewhere, afterwards I realised went to a host and told them and was told in reply too bad the casino is not responsible etc. that person didnít know casinos rules etc. no I didnít get cash back on that one.
So yes it is a rule re casino owners of all money on property, if staff find chips etc they are not allowed to pick up as a finder keeps they must direct security to the place it ( chip) is located. Now if I find a amount in machine I pop the ticket and give to host at main counter take their name and number just in case I have to clarify myself in the future.
If I find cash or chips on floor at table or in cash dispenser I keep ,and have not been approached in that regard ever.
We have plastic money , static electricity sticks the notes to top of inside of cash change dispenser , so people cash a $2000 ticket donít count the Billís dispensed, walk away leaving a couple of hundred still in machines, you happen to be next and nice bonus, I might add if the person was just in front of me I alert them to the oversight and give them the cash , they are thankful but donít tip ha ha , if no one was before me and I donít take the cash to host desk , I keep it.
I have been at a baccarat table when security have taken some one off table and ask for a few hundred dollars that person had received from the day before as an over payment from a dealer mistake the day before , they explained that itís a mistake yes but itís up to us to be honest etc and correct dealer on the day and give it back then. So now this lady had to pay up or be fined for theft etc.
She paid and was allowed to play on.
I view it as bank error, keep it , as lucky I have not been asked to pay back , I might mention I was also over paid at the same table as the above mentioned lady and I was half expecting to be asked to return some cash as well. They didnít ask me , I didnít volunteer, ha ha
We have free phone charger machine here ,6 units per machine type in a password put phone in to recharge close door, collect phone half hr later put in password door open collect phone. So what you say
A few months later a security and police tap on your shoulder, you are accused of stealing a phone, you have to prove you did not , this has not happened to me personally but I have been present when acquaintances have been questioned, a couple Iím sure would not steal but the other one maybe.
I do not drink as I have to drive to and from the casino, I do not drink as I gamble, completely hard wired rule once upon arrival I bought a juice and was walking between blackjack tables back counting ( in the old days pre automatic shuffle machine) saw a count in my favour finished rest of juice put glass down and put cash on table for chips ready to play etc. tap tap on shoulder I was taken from table as I had been deemed to be drunk according to camera footage. I took them to bar and located staff members who served me etc security said sorry etc , I missed my count, no big deal , another table later etc
The point being you are on casino property and itís their rules, a bit like going overseas and shoplifting, difference being your not at home.
Kind regards
Zcore13
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November 16th, 2017 at 11:17:55 PM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

I abandoned a $16 Tito and security gave two chits. They pull out every ticket with not a care, not really sure what they do about hunting down the rightful owners. Supposedly it all goes to charity, but I'm not sure I believe it.



At the casino I work at, all found money not claimed goes to the local boys and girls club. Money not paid out on jackpots due to a player being banned or self excluded also goes to charity.


ZCore13
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mcallister3200
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November 17th, 2017 at 3:01:03 AM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

Money not paid out on jackpots due to a player being banned or self excluded...


ZCore13


Wow wow wow! If you booked the bet and took the losing ones....unless you're on tribal ground.
Zcore13
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November 17th, 2017 at 3:06:15 AM permalink
Quote: mcallister3200

Wow wow wow! If you booked the bet and took the losing ones....unless you're on tribal ground.



Yes, tribal. That's the way all tribal casinos work in Arizona.


ZCore13
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RS
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November 17th, 2017 at 3:29:21 AM permalink
Meh. Usually I just pass over the money. If it's a real biggin' ($5+), I just use it all as a tip for cocktail waitress. Strawberry daiquiris and appletinis don't make themselves!
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onenickelmiracle
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November 17th, 2017 at 8:28:25 AM permalink
Quote: beachmonkey

I think it depends on the staff roster as some staff are diligently doing the job to the casino specs others are a bit more relaxed. I have on an odd occasion left money in a machine gone back and it is gone, at the cage I mentioned to the cashier that it should have been more to enter into my cage account than what I was depositing, she ask why I told her about left ticket etc ie itís long gone, she got a suit to come with me to machine no one there no money etc Next day at cage withdrawal of day bank I was asked to wait, after some time a suit gave me paperwork for $120 odd claim . They tracked down the other person and got the cash from them. On another occasion I had dropped a ticket somewhere, afterwards I realised went to a host and told them and was told in reply too bad the casino is not responsible etc. that person didnít know casinos rules etc. no I didnít get cash back on that one.
So yes it is a rule re casino owners of all money on property, if staff find chips etc they are not allowed to pick up as a finder keeps they must direct security to the place it ( chip) is located. Now if I find a amount in machine I pop the ticket and give to host at main counter take their name and number just in case I have to clarify myself in the future.
If I find cash or chips on floor at table or in cash dispenser I keep ,and have not been approached in that regard ever.
We have plastic money , static electricity sticks the notes to top of inside of cash change dispenser , so people cash a $2000 ticket donít count the Billís dispensed, walk away leaving a couple of hundred still in machines, you happen to be next and nice bonus, I might add if the person was just in front of me I alert them to the oversight and give them the cash , they are thankful but donít tip ha ha , if no one was before me and I donít take the cash to host desk , I keep it.
I have been at a baccarat table when security have taken some one off table and ask for a few hundred dollars that person had received from the day before as an over payment from a dealer mistake the day before , they explained that itís a mistake yes but itís up to us to be honest etc and correct dealer on the day and give it back then. So now this lady had to pay up or be fined for theft etc.
She paid and was allowed to play on.
I view it as bank error, keep it , as lucky I have not been asked to pay back , I might mention I was also over paid at the same table as the above mentioned lady and I was half expecting to be asked to return some cash as well. They didnít ask me , I didnít volunteer, ha ha
We have free phone charger machine here ,6 units per machine type in a password put phone in to recharge close door, collect phone half hr later put in password door open collect phone. So what you say
A few months later a security and police tap on your shoulder, you are accused of stealing a phone, you have to prove you did not , this has not happened to me personally but I have been present when acquaintances have been questioned, a couple Iím sure would not steal but the other one maybe.
I do not drink as I have to drive to and from the casino, I do not drink as I gamble, completely hard wired rule once upon arrival I bought a juice and was walking between blackjack tables back counting ( in the old days pre automatic shuffle machine) saw a count in my favour finished rest of juice put glass down and put cash on table for chips ready to play etc. tap tap on shoulder I was taken from table as I had been deemed to be drunk according to camera footage. I took them to bar and located staff members who served me etc security said sorry etc , I missed my count, no big deal , another table later etc
The point being you are on casino property and itís their rules, a bit like going overseas and shoplifting, difference being your not at home.
Kind regards

I think you're seriously misinformed. The casinos are not city-states, do not make their own laws, whether they call them rules or not. If the casino collects a ticket, they have a responsibility to look for the rightful owner and to attempt to return the money. If they're native American joints, yes they are free to do what they want for the most part, but state regulated places shouldn't just grab and keep.

Pennsylvania does a good job of brainwashing people to think there is not finders keepers, but there is, with qualification. The law they quote with their interpretation doesn't even match up, very much so contrary in meaning.

I don't think anyone can be found guilty if they attempt to look for the owner, and they return it to the rightful owner if found. When it comes to casino employees picking up money, they have the tools, should use them, and if not, it's wrong by me.

In Ohio, unclaimed funds laws were changed from $10 minimum to $50 right after the first casinos opened. It might be why the casinos seem lazy, because perhaps it frees them from the responsibility.
Looks like sh!t just got imaginary!

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