gamerfreak
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December 8th, 2016 at 4:17:28 AM permalink
I've had an unusual interest with gambling and casinos ever since I was a child. Not so much the act, but the topic itself. My closet is overflowing with books from this list. I consume content from GWAE, AP heat, and this site on a daily basis, and I feel I have a decent handle on gambling math.

Despite this borderline obsession, I'm not an AP. Quite the opposite actually. Most of my casino time is spent on not only slots, but large flashy modern themed slots. I know these are among the worst bets in a casino, but I genuinely enjoy the games with great theming, and the comps that come along with slot play.

The interesting part is, I'm a few hundred ahead on these games lifetime. I'm not under any illusion that it's anything other than blind, stupid luck, or that this will continue forever ... but right now I'm ahead and getting increasingly better comps. Ploppy train full steam ahead!!!!
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December 8th, 2016 at 6:31:30 AM permalink
You're not going to find many non APs ahead lifetime on slots. The typical house edge is ENORMOUS compared to games like blackjack or most video poker. Only people who haven't played many hours or have hit some huge jackpot relative to their average bet size have any shot of being up.
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December 8th, 2016 at 8:45:44 AM permalink
You're ahead lifetime on slots? Do you mix it up or is it all penny slots? Do you include comps in your "being ahead", like food, rooms, etc.? Do you keep truly honest and fair records? Barring something extremely out of the ordinary happening (like hitting a $10k must hit when playing $0.80/spin), with relatively little lifetime play.......I'm a bit suspicious, to say the least.

Unless you keep accurate records of all play, not much to go on. I keep records of all my play (tables, slots, video poker, sports, misc.). Last year, near the end, I thought I was losing quite a bit. When I went through my records I figured out I was actually ahead way more than I thought I was behind. The brain plays funny tricks on you, making you think you're ahead when you're really behind, or vice versa.
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December 8th, 2016 at 11:45:49 AM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak

I've had an unusual interest with gambling and casinos ever since I was a child. Not so much the act, but the topic itself. My closet is overflowing with books from this list. I consume content from GWAE, AP heat, and this site on a daily basis, and I feel I have a decent handle on gambling math.

Despite this borderline obsession, I'm not an AP. Quite the opposite actually. Most of my casino time is spent on not only slots, but large flashy modern themed slots. I know these are among the worst bets in a casino, but I genuinely enjoy the games with great theming, and the comps that come along with slot play.

The interesting part is, I'm a few hundred ahead on these games lifetime. I'm not under any illusion that it's anything other than blind, stupid luck, or that this will continue forever ... but right now I'm ahead and getting increasingly better comps. Ploppy train full steam ahead!!!!

What does lifetime include? Once a month for 20 minutes with a $20 here and there, or daily play with a few bills?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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December 8th, 2016 at 12:11:21 PM permalink
My first trip to AC, playing $1 WOF, I hit for $2700 and $1800, then hit a strange Double Diamond machine that had a diamond mine gimmick for $852.
That was enough to make me a lifetime winner for years, as I never played with more than a $200 bankroll.
Just when I was about even, I hit a jackpot on Tabasco. That put me up for another two or three years. Eventually, gravity caught up to me. It just took longer then normal.
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gamerfreak
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December 8th, 2016 at 4:26:36 PM permalink
I have 2 years records, I'm up approx $90 last year and about $120 this year. I'm also up about $75 this year on ante-only 3 card poker. So lifetime and hundreds may be a little exaggerated.

I'm down approx $100 on craps and $90 on Pai Gow Poker this past year. Haven't kept good records of VP but I never do well.

I would say I play an average 5 hours slots total each month. A little less than that on the tables. I don't really mix it up, pretty much all $0.01 mega themed machines and 3CP.

I didn't mean to insinuate I was getting rich off this, I'm not a big time player at all. Also no big jackpots that skew these averages. The most I've won is $300 on gremlins. I just think that I've been really lucky, especially when you add the comps.

I also think part of doing alright on bad games has been self control and money management. I know these don't change the house edge, but I usually have a pretty tight bankroll which avoids me losing my shirt in any one session, and I almost always walk away when if I'm up $50-$60, which pretty much guartees a few winning sessions. I've been lucky in that I've had more good sessions than bad sessions. It's luck and only luck, I'll probably lose the farm next year.
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December 8th, 2016 at 7:52:13 PM permalink
I won on slots.....once. Hey you bet small and have fun. More power to you!
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December 8th, 2016 at 9:43:45 PM permalink
I am up lifetime on slots. AMA
They asked me how well I understood theoretical physics. I said I had a theoretical degree in physics. They said welcome aboard.
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December 8th, 2016 at 9:46:55 PM permalink
I'm way up on reels... Love that damn game and the casinos love to roll out the limo when you play em 😄
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December 9th, 2016 at 3:06:20 AM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak

I have 2 years records, I'm up approx $90 last year and about $120 this year. I'm also up about $75 this year on ante-only 3 card poker. So lifetime and hundreds may be a little exaggerated.

I'm down approx $100 on craps and $90 on Pai Gow Poker this past year. Haven't kept good records of VP but I never do well.

I would say I play an average 5 hours slots total each month. A little less than that on the tables. I don't really mix it up, pretty much all $0.01 mega themed machines and 3CP.

I didn't mean to insinuate I was getting rich off this, I'm not a big time player at all. Also no big jackpots that skew these averages. The most I've won is $300 on gremlins. I just think that I've been really lucky, especially when you add the comps.

I also think part of doing alright on bad games has been self control and money management. I know these don't change the house edge, but I usually have a pretty tight bankroll which avoids me losing my shirt in any one session, and I almost always walk away when if I'm up $50-$60, which pretty much guartees a few winning sessions. I've been lucky in that I've had more good sessions than bad sessions. It's luck and only luck, I'll probably lose the farm next year.

What's your average bet and speed when you play?

$300 as your biggest hit suggests you are playing 1 coin/penny per line. If you are playing "mega themed slot machines" that's usually 50 lines.
I'm assuming when you play you watch the reels spin out and dick around a little. You probably average 10 spins a minute.
After 120 hours of play at -14%, you say you are beating slots without any abnormal hits(Actually $300 as your biggest hit seems low) after 72k spins.

you should be down about 5k.

If after 72k spins someone was running 14% worst than they should be on a slot machine they should call gaming because that would suggest it was gaffed.

Did Alan Mendelson put you up to this?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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