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darkoz
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November 3rd, 2016 at 7:29:39 AM permalink
Quote: Romes

Wouldn't the argument be that it wasn't supposed to let her bet more than her balance though, in order to get the wrap around effect? Wouldn't that be the malfunction?



Point and counterpoint. Perhaps that particular game does allow it although i dont think so

There r some machines that allow a wager at the last amount bet when u cash out with less than that wager still in the machine. So lets say u bet $2 and after that win have $1 in the slot u get the option of wagering $1 at the $2 level or cashing out
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November 3rd, 2016 at 8:10:15 AM permalink
In suing, she claims she is due what the machine said she won.

The most ANY player can EVER win on that machine is $6500.

Obviously then, as the $42M is well above the maximum possible win, the machine malfunctioned.

No way is she entitled to $42M.

The casino could, as a show of good will and to help staunch a flood of negative publicity, offer her $6500, a steak dinner, and some freeplay.
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November 3rd, 2016 at 9:34:00 AM permalink
AFAIK, the "maximum payout" on machines is NOT the maximum payout, although I could be mistaken. Look on a video reel slot, where it says something like "maximum payout of X credits". That refers to a single-line maximum pay, not the overall payout on a single wager. You could go into a bonus round, hit that maximum payout, and keep spinning in the bonus round, I believe. (DRich? Mike?)



If you really wanted to argue it, it could be argued that the machine did not malfunction and performed exactly as the code was written. If the machine was put back into the exact same circumstances as it was when the lady supposedly hit for $42M+, would it trigger the same payout? If so, it was not a malfunction. I'm not talking about the programmers' intention, but what the code is set to do.

If on the other hand, there was a power spike which fried one of the units in the machine (can that even happen?) or a drink spilled which broke a piece in the machine or something like that, and that caused the $42M+ payout, then that'd obviously be a malfunction.
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November 3rd, 2016 at 9:45:04 AM permalink
Maybe it's because of the old arcade glitch that caused malfunctions on level 256 like the kill screens on Pac-Man, Galaga, Donkey Kong and a few others...

http://errors.wikia.com/wiki/Kill_screen
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November 3rd, 2016 at 10:00:12 AM permalink
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Maybe it's because of the old arcade glitch that caused malfunctions on level 256 like the kill screens on Pac-Man, Galaga, Donkey Kong and a few others...

http://errors.wikia.com/wiki/Kill_screen


Watch the documentary King of Kong, Fistful of quarters. Very entertaining and humorous.
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November 3rd, 2016 at 10:11:00 AM permalink
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Maybe it's because of the old arcade glitch that caused malfunctions on level 256 like the kill screens on Pac-Man, Galaga, Donkey Kong and a few others...

http://errors.wikia.com/wiki/Kill_screen



The same bug except that bug was based on an 8-bit integer, whose range is 0 to 255. These day there isn't such a memory shortage so 64-bit integers are the norm.
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November 3rd, 2016 at 10:11:33 AM permalink
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Watch the documentary King of Kong, Fistful of quarters. Very entertaining and humorous.


I have. That's where I learned about the kill screens.
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November 3rd, 2016 at 10:13:13 AM permalink
Quote: RS

If you really wanted to argue it, it could be argued that the machine did not malfunction and performed exactly as the code was written. If the machine was put back into the exact same circumstances as it was when the lady supposedly hit for $42M+, would it trigger the same payout? If so, it was not a malfunction. I'm not talking about the programmers' intention, but what the code is set to do.



If she finds a competent attorney, I'm sure he will argue exactly that. In other words, it was a human error, not the machine. The point has some merit too. I would still find in favor of the casino, as I think most here, but I doubt they would cull a jury from WoV members.
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November 3rd, 2016 at 10:14:51 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

The same bug except that bug was based on an 8-bit integer, whose range is 0 to 255. These day there isn't such a memory shortage so 64-bit integers are the norm.


I'm certain of that. These days, glitches can be found in any type of "video game." You guys should watch how speed runners and TAS (Tool Assisted Speed run) destroy them. Even brand new games. These guys are good!
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November 3rd, 2016 at 10:21:47 AM permalink
Quote: RS

AFAIK, the "maximum payout" on machines is NOT the maximum payout, although I could be mistaken.


If you really wanted to argue it, it could be argued that the machine did not malfunction and performed exactly as the code was written.



Yes, many machines can pay more than the topline jackpot on a particular game because of bonus rounds.

I have very mixed opinions on this subject. What is a malfunction? As RS said, is it a malfunction if the machines does exactly what is was instructed to? I think in this case it was just a software bug and the player did not hit anything that qualify's her for a big payout.

Had the computer showed winning jackpots symbols, even if that was not the intention, I would argue to pay her for whatever the symbols paid based on the paytable because that was how it was programmed.

I would love to be in the position of having the three Megabucks symbols line up even if they claimed it to be a malfunction. I believe I could convince a jury that computer software is "instructions", and the machine followed the instructions that it was given and therefore it is not a malfunction. It may be an unintended consequence, but not a malfunction.

I disagree with Mike on this particular lady's case. I don't think she will get a big settlement. I think they will end up settling on the top prize of the machine which I think was around $6500.

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