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lilredrooster
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November 3rd, 2016 at 4:30:39 AM permalink
Resorts World Casino says the machine malfunctioned. Instead they offered her a steak dinner.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2016/11/02/woman-denied-slot-machine-win/93206170/
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sabre
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November 3rd, 2016 at 5:35:57 AM permalink
Hopefully she'll get what she deserves in the end. Which is nothing.
DJTeddyBear
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November 3rd, 2016 at 5:43:58 AM permalink
Quote: sabre

Hopefully she'll get what she deserves in the end. Which is nothing.

Really? Nothing?

Her lawyer thinks otherwise:
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Bookman contacted an attorney, Alan Ripka, who says she should at least be entitled to the machine's maximum pay out of $6,500.

Seems reasonable to me. Saves face all the way around...
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November 3rd, 2016 at 5:58:32 AM permalink
Of course, we don't get to see the combination that she landed on, because then we wouldn't feel bad for her. Instead, we'd say "look, you lined up 4 tens on line 5, seems like you should get paid $2.25." She knows that the combination is not worth 43 million (2^32 pennies).
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onenickelmiracle
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November 3rd, 2016 at 6:35:19 AM permalink
Hahaha. A casino has another state tested, gaming lab tested machine malfunction, and one of the cattle thinks they went from throwing money away to hitting the big one. I personally am tired of these articles, because they're all the same. They make the player look stupid, fail to tar the image of a casino that has a two-bit machine, and keeps the player broke as before. That casino makes millions and millions, and yes, the player should get the so-called maximum jackpot, just as payment for cruelty. As it stands, the casino and gaming have no incentive to do anything to make sure this doesn't reoccur. Even cases where there is not a malfunction, but a player is not paid, there is zero incentive.

Things similar to malfunctions, painters paint your house instead of a neighboring house while you're away, and you have to pay them. An atm does not dispense your money, yet, the money is taken from your account, with no recourse.

I have witnessed TWO so-called malfunctions on small hundred dollar jackpots and the people were shafted! The wins were legitimate, the only thing that appeared to malfunction was them being awarded credits.

Another malfunction at Mahoning Valley Race Course

http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/slots/26626-another-malfunction-at-mahoning-valley-race-course/2/
Looks like sh!t just got imaginary!
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November 3rd, 2016 at 7:04:27 AM permalink
The dreaded unsigned 32-bit integer bug strikes again.

That article says her alleged win was $42,949,672.76. That is 4,294,967,276 pennies.

2^32 = 4,294,967,296. That is 20 more than what she won.

What likely happened is she had a balance a little over zero. Then something strange happened and somehow her balance should have been -20. Maybe she made a bet more than her balance somehow.

A common way to store a number on a computer, which is never supposed to go negative, is with an unsigned integer. These integer commonly have a maximum size of 32 bits, or 4,294,967,296. What happens if you try to store a negative number in them is they wrap around. 0-1 = 4,294,967,295.

What will likely happen, if she is smart, is she will get an attorney to argue the machine didn't "malfunction" but did exactly what the programmers told it to do. It will get settled out of court for something more than a steak dinner. Around a million would be my guess.
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November 3rd, 2016 at 7:07:33 AM permalink
Wouldn't the argument be that it wasn't supposed to let her bet more than her balance though, in order to get the wrap around effect? Wouldn't that be the malfunction?
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lilredrooster
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November 3rd, 2016 at 7:17:29 AM permalink
Imagine that had happened at an overseas online casino. Fat chance she'd get a dime.
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November 3rd, 2016 at 7:26:12 AM permalink
Quote: Romes

Wouldn't the argument be that it wasn't supposed to let her bet more than her balance though, in order to get the wrap around effect? Wouldn't that be the malfunction?



Yes, of course. If I were on a jury I would easily take the casino's side. However, a jury might not be people like me. They might be people seeing a struggling single mom vs. a greedy casino or slot machine maker worth hundreds of millions. Such a case may not be decided on facts but in the jury selection. That is why I think whoever she sues will be nervous and settle.
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DJTeddyBear
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November 3rd, 2016 at 7:27:41 AM permalink
Mike -

Thanks for that 32 bit explanation. Makes a LOT of sense.
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