Mission146
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March 7th, 2014 at 1:27:48 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

I keep meaning to ask this. Why is it state law in Montana that no game can be ABOVE 92%? I could understand a BELOW restriction, but why do they cap it? Who are they looking out for? If someone wants to offer a game with low variance and 98% payback, say, to bring people into their bar by advertising it, why can't they?



Tax revenue protection, it's 95% (Base Pays) in West Virginia and 100% (or less) in many other States.
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March 7th, 2014 at 1:33:24 PM permalink
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Tax revenue protection, it's 95% (Base Pays) in West Virginia and 100% (or less) in many other States.



Ahh. Of course. Thanks.
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March 7th, 2014 at 1:40:09 PM permalink
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March 7th, 2014 at 2:14:56 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

I keep meaning to ask this. Why is it state law in Montana that no game can be ABOVE 92%? I could understand a BELOW restriction, but why do they cap it? Who are they looking out for? If someone wants to offer a game with low variance and 98% payback, say, to bring people into their bar by advertising it, why can't they?



Edited. Already answered.
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March 8th, 2014 at 4:38:00 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

I keep meaning to ask this. Why is it state law in Montana that no game can be ABOVE 92%? I could understand a BELOW restriction, but why do they cap it? Who are they looking out for? If someone wants to offer a game with low variance and 98% payback, say, to bring people into their bar by advertising it, why can't they?



Video poker and vide keno are not restricted to 92%, just the line games. The line games are a recent arrival, installed in January 2012. 15% of the machine win goes to the state with 2/3's of the money going back to the county or municipality the machine is located in. Between the economy crash and the smoking ban tax revenue was down over 20% in 2010, 2011. I imagine the state was looking for a way to get the revenue back up, hence the 92% restriction on line games.
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March 8th, 2014 at 4:49:41 AM permalink
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My girlfriend has "wonged" this game for years. It is in Vegas at Circus Circus and the Plaza to name a few. It is also at a few SoCal casinos. Her best result was 80 free spins worth $220. I know this because she is always shoving the photo in my face when I doubt the play's value.



Some of the youtube videos were filmed in Pennsylvania so the game is there too.
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March 8th, 2014 at 5:59:28 AM permalink
I put down two plays yesterday to collect stats. High numbers in both green and red. Plan was to play until I hit one or the other then cash.

Total spins wad 809. Total wager was $1011. Got dropped in main game for $472. Just a 53.3% return. Hit purple lions 4 times, red lions twice.

Purple Lions

25 free games returned $68.
23 games returned $32.
24 games returned $16.
18 games returned $31.

Red Lions

48 free games returned $107
43 games returned $106

Net loss of $112
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March 8th, 2014 at 6:20:18 AM permalink
I also statted the lions landing in the screen through 587 games.

Purple Lions

3rd reel 4th reel 5th reel
216 129 52

Tentative frequency is 142.4


Red Lions

2nd reel 3rd reel 4th reel
95 80 28

Tentative frequency is 950.48

Green Lions

1st reel 2nd reel 3rd reel
118 42 26

Tentative frequency is 1569.67

Sample space is to small. I fhink I need about 1400 more spins to draw any hard conclusions.
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March 8th, 2014 at 6:26:10 AM permalink
90% of the time I analyze a game like this it comes up tits. Nothing there. But I'm willing to pay the cost because of the 10% of the time I find a gem.
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March 8th, 2014 at 2:37:07 PM permalink
Quote: mickeycrimm

90% of the time I analyze a game like this it comes up tits. Nothing there. But I'm willing to pay the cost because of the 10% of the time I find a gem.



I agree with this 100%, especially when someone else is playing the game and I'm just standing around, sipping coffee and counting spins.
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