EPROM
Specifically, EPROM RP0404C was getting removed and RP0205C was getting installed. This was on at least 50-60 machines of various themes.
Are these EPROM models standard? Or are they specific to the individual casino they are installed in? Anybody know what the specs (ie HE%) are on these EPROMS?
Quote: onenickelmiracleI have no idea, but I doubt they spent the time and money to raise the payouts.
This would be my guess. But one could hope.
Quote: onenickelmiracleI have no idea, but I doubt they spent the time and money to raise the payouts.
1. Why not? If adjustments can go either way, they'll adjust it the way it needs to go. At this point in time, loosening machine is as common and as needed as tightening machines. But people will say "Aha! It's a conspiracy, I tell ya..."
2. But I think the tighten/loosen adjustments don't require hardware changes, just software changes, which can be done via the network.
3. Could have been just periodic hardware or maintenance upgrades for any number of reasons.
Quote: Paigowdan1. Why not? If adjustments can go either way, they'll adjust it the way it needs to go. At this point in time, loosening machine is as common and as needed as tightening machines. But people will say "Aha! It's a conspiracy, I tell ya..."
2. But I think the tighten/loosen adjustments don't require hardware changes, just software changes, which can be done via the network.
3. Could have been just periodic hardware or maintenance upgrades for any number of reasons.
1. Do you have any data for this? General trends from gaming commissions over the past decade would disagree with this.
2. If the machines are old enough, they still need hardware changes. Server changes are now legal in a handful of states, but the "Texas Tea" unit I played on my first trip to Vegas in 2001 is unlikely to be connected to the server.
3. Possibly, I really don't know.
Quote: tringlomane1. Do you have any data for this? General trends from gaming commissions over the past decade would disagree with this.
I've worked in casinos for years, and adjustments (tightening and loosening) on slots is something I've seen all the time go both ways, as needed. I felt I didn't need volumes of data to mention "machines get both tightened and loosened." They do.
Quote: tringlomane2. If the machines are old enough, they still need hardware changes. Server changes are now legal in a handful of states, but the "Texas Tea" unit I played on my first trip to Vegas in 2001 is unlikely to be connected to the server.
Yes, there are still some old legacy units on there that get adjusted by manual hardware changes.
Quote: PaigowdanI've worked in casinos for years, and adjustments (tightening and loosening) on slots is something I've seen all the time go both ways, as needed. I felt I didn't need volumes of data to mention "machines get both tightened and loosened." They do.
Yes, it can go either way, but I would happily bet even money vs. you if we could determine which way they went. This assumes you took the "loosen" side of course.
Quote: PaigowdanIt isn't important or interesting, really, to take the position that some conspiracy was carried out because some slot maintenance was done at some casino. We could flip a coin.
I disagree on the last sentence. Unless the coin was biased in my favor. And conspiracy is a strong word. Downgrading slots/video poker is not a conspiracy, imo. I'm just saying it currently occurs more often than upgrading slots/video poker. VPFree2 will back me up on video poker.
Nobody should be playing slots in the first place. With video poker you can see the odds you're getting right there on the pay table.
Good point.Quote: WizardA downside to advertising a loosening is it admits the machines used to be tight and makes casino management look indecisive.
I was about to comment that if they got loosened up, you'll see new signage soon enough. Hmmm... Maybe you won't.
I doubt advertising loose machines even gets noticed much. But I do think word gets around for locals joints.
Quote: etr102Several banks of machines at my local casino were roped off today for conversion. Since the work orders were in plain sight (ie taped to the machines), I had a peek. It appeared that the only thing changing in these machines was the EPROM.
Specifically, EPROM RP0404C was getting removed and RP0205C was getting installed. This was on at least 50-60 machines of various themes.
Are these EPROM models standard? Or are they specific to the individual casino they are installed in? Anybody know what the specs (ie HE%) are on these EPROMS?
Also, don't forget that the chips may have nothing to do with an actual hold percentage change, rather that the old chip (RP0404C) might have been revoked by the regulators or gaming control board...if so, it would just be putting in an approved chip with basically the same hold percentages...
Quote: WizardI wouldn't over-think this. They probably just changed the return 2% one way or the other. I disagree that we should assuming a tightening because they didn't advertise a loosening. A downside to advertising a loosening is it admits the machines used to be tight and makes casino management look indecisive.
Nobody should be playing slots in the first place. With video poker you can see the odds you're getting right there on the pay table.
I agree with this completely. I didn't start this thread to spark arguments. I just just curious if anybody had inside knowledge as to what those EPROM numbers actually meant. Either way, I'm not a slots player.
I'm primarily a Video Poker and a Craps player. Unfortunately, the best VP where I play is 8/5 JoB, so both games are obviously negative expectation, but far better than traditional slots.
Quote: WizardI wouldn't over-think this. They probably just changed the return 2% one way or the other. I disagree that we should assuming a tightening because they didn't advertise a loosening. A downside to advertising a loosening is it admits the machines used to be tight and makes casino management look indecisive.
Nobody should be playing slots in the first place. With video poker you can see the odds you're getting right there on the pay table.
That's true for VP...in most states anyway. And it can go either way, but if I had to guess, I'd lean toward a downgrade vs. an upgrade. I'd be curious of the answer anyway: upgrade, downgrade, or just an updated chip model. Unfortunately, we need inside info for that.
Quote: etr102Several banks of machines at my local casino were roped off today for conversion. Since the work orders were in plain sight (ie taped to the machines), I had a peek. It appeared that the only thing changing in these machines was the EPROM.
Specifically, EPROM RP0404C was getting removed and RP0205C was getting installed. This was on at least 50-60 machines of various themes.
Are these EPROM models standard? Or are they specific to the individual casino they are installed in? Anybody know what the specs (ie HE%) are on these EPROMS?
Must be the new OLG chips under their new master plan for gambling in Ontario.... or the 5th Anniversary special chip for Caesars
Whats going to happen to Caesars Windsor when they open the new casino in London Ontario?
Word has it WESTERN FAIR RACETRACK is going to get full casino in the near future under that OLG plan
Don't ask for those average slot rakes ... the courts of the land have ruled it will not be released after the one fellas FOI act request
http://www.canlii.org/eliisa/highlight.do?text=ontario+slots+percentages&language=en&searchTitle=Search+all+CanLII+Databases&path=/en/on/onipc/doc/2000/2000canlii20931/2000canlii20931.html&searchUrlHash=AAAAAQAZb250YXJpbyBzbG90cyBwZXJjZW50YWdlcwAAAAAAAAE
Function in the machine for this is different depending from the type of mainboard and machine.
www.novomaticgames.blogspot.com
The codes RP0404C and RP0205C didn't match anything at mouser dot com. Evidently, such codes are not part #s.
Quote:Specifically, EPROM RP0404C was getting removed and RP0205C was getting installed. This was on at least 50-60 machines of various themes.
That is an upgrade to the firmware for the player tracking system, specifically the Bally GMU.
Quote: darrellgThat is an upgrade to the firmware for the player tracking system, specifically the Bally GMU.
No change to the game it sounds like then. I apologize for my pessimistic leanings. :)
