Janson
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July 7th, 2026 at 10:51:04 AM permalink
The wizard once said there's a way to know the exact position of a card in baccarat. By counting down the cards, players will know precisely when they will receive the known card. Does anyone have a specific method to do this?
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July 7th, 2026 at 12:00:36 PM permalink
yeah if there isn't a cut card you can use tally marks to determine the final card...

otherwise the Wizard probably did not mean it literally
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July 7th, 2026 at 3:39:44 PM permalink
Quote: harris

yeah if there isn't a cut card you can use tally marks to determine the final card...

otherwise the Wizard probably did not mean it literally
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The wizard mentioned that by counting cards, one can determine the value of the cards dealt to specific positions—such as the first or third spot—allowing one to know, for instance, that the first card will be a 9; under these conditions, the player's probability of winning can reach 56%.
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July 7th, 2026 at 4:04:52 PM permalink
where did he say that
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July 8th, 2026 at 6:25:39 AM permalink
There's a cheating method to do this. Is that what you're asking? There was a Vietnamese cheating crew years ago where they would write down the cards in order as they were being played. The dealer (who was in on the scam) would false shuffle a block of cards to keep them in order. When the cheaters saw the cards start to come out in the order they had written down, they would bet huge on the appropriate hand and clean up.
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July 8th, 2026 at 7:43:22 AM permalink
There is a way to know (sometimes) what the first card coming out of the deck is.

There is a way to know in general what cards are available in clumps.

Some of this is done via having a precise memory of every card played and every card remaining. The count isn't really what helps with the level of precision I am talking about.
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July 8th, 2026 at 8:44:38 AM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

There's a cheating method to do this. Is that what you're asking? There was a Vietnamese cheating crew years ago where they would write down the cards in order as they were being played. The dealer (who was in on the scam) would false shuffle a block of cards to keep them in order. When the cheaters saw the cards start to come out in the order they had written down, they would bet huge on the appropriate hand and clean up.
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There was also a debacle where the casino was dealing bricks of cards new from the manufacturer which they believed to be preshuffled. The cards were not preshuffled, but in a predictable nonstandard new deck order.

In both cases, the casino countermeasure is to thoroughly shuffle the cards.

If memory serves, the Tran Organization was also using communication devices, as they preferred to use a remote computer to sequence the discards and identify the target clump.
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July 8th, 2026 at 11:53:15 AM permalink
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The wizard once said there's a way to know the exact position of a card in baccarat. By counting down the cards, players will know precisely when they will receive the known card. Does anyone have a specific method to do this?
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The Wizard has a scheduled AMA livestream on youtube this Friday. This might be a good question to as him directly then.
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July 9th, 2026 at 1:38:59 AM permalink
Quote: Janson

The wizard once said there's a way to know the exact position of a card in baccarat. By counting down the cards, players will know precisely when they will receive the known card. Does anyone have a specific method to do this?
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If you can see the back card of the pack when offered the cut, you can cut the minimum (say 14 cards if they let you get away with that) and then the known card will be 14th from the top. The technique is known as card-steering.

There are other ways to know the value of a card before its dealt but that is what he meant.
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