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October 29th, 2020 at 9:41:30 AM permalink
Heads up Match finally happening

Polk heavy favorite
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October 29th, 2020 at 10:47:54 AM permalink
is it being streamed?? cant find it right now
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October 29th, 2020 at 12:19:36 PM permalink
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is it being streamed?? cant find it right now



I thought it started November 1st.
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October 29th, 2020 at 12:26:11 PM permalink
Yes starting November 1st.

I meant finally happening as in they’ve been talking about doing it for a feed years.

Polk currently big favorite.
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October 29th, 2020 at 12:27:59 PM permalink
https://www.highstakesdb.com/10619-hellmuth-and-matusow-bet-big-on-negreanu-in-polk-grudge-match.aspx
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October 29th, 2020 at 12:33:53 PM permalink
Negreanu will eat this GTO donk alive.
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October 29th, 2020 at 12:35:22 PM permalink
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I thought it started November 1st.



Yeah just found out it may be November 4th so I’ll be checking either way
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October 29th, 2020 at 12:37:53 PM permalink
Currently line says otherwise

$100 will get you $400 betting on DNegs

$700 will get you $100 betting on Polk
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October 29th, 2020 at 1:28:37 PM permalink
Polk is a heads-up master.
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October 29th, 2020 at 1:40:01 PM permalink
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Polk is a heads-up master.



Shows how little I know. I would have figured these top players were much closer in ability and thus outcomes. The odds say I’m wrong.

I think we have Poker Grinder who makes a living playing poker. Would he be 10-1 underdog? 20-1?
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October 29th, 2020 at 4:25:31 PM permalink
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Shows how little I know. I would have figured these top players were much closer in ability and thus outcomes. The odds say I’m wrong.

I think we have Poker Grinder who makes a living playing poker. Would he be 10-1 underdog? 20-1?



Heads up no limit poker is a whole different game. I think I am a competent poker player but would get crushed at no limit heads up.
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October 29th, 2020 at 4:50:35 PM permalink
Heads up is one situation where GTO matters the most. But I expect that Daniel Negreanu has also studied that extensively as prep for this match.
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October 29th, 2020 at 5:22:04 PM permalink
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Heads up is one situation where GTO matters the most. But I expect that Daniel Negreanu has also studied that extensively as prep for this match.



He has said that he has been studying it for a few weeks but realizes he will be way behind. It is very hard to call a raise with 3 9 offsuit but you should a good percentage of the time in heads up.
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October 29th, 2020 at 6:25:28 PM permalink
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Currently line says otherwise

$100 will get you $400 betting on DNegs
$700 will get you $100 betting on Polk

they both put $1M in escrow.

they play till someone hits $0?
if so, what if that never happens?
ie: 4 days later, they both still have $
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October 29th, 2020 at 6:27:40 PM permalink
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they both put $1M in escrow.

they play till someone hits $0?
if so, what if that never happens?
ie: 4 days later, they both still have $



I think they plan on playing many more sessions than that. I wouldn't be surprised if they play 30 or more sessions
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October 29th, 2020 at 6:28:03 PM permalink
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He has said that he has been studying it for a few weeks but realizes he will be way behind.
It is very hard to call a raise with 3 9 offsuit but you should a good percentage of the time in heads up.

wait.. DNeg doesnt know gto?!
or just gto heads-up?
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October 29th, 2020 at 6:29:35 PM permalink
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wait.. DNeg doesnt know gto?!
or just gto heads-up?



I'm guessing heads up. He normally doesn't play GTO in multi-player games. Very few, if any, can play GTO with a full table.
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October 29th, 2020 at 7:18:36 PM permalink
Who is Polk? I was very active poker player, live and tournaments when I lived back in Vegas about ten years ago but really have lost interest since moving north. I know Daniel, real nice guy. Hope he wins.
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October 29th, 2020 at 11:57:11 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Shows how little I know. I would have figured these top players were much closer in ability and thus outcomes. The odds say I’m wrong.

I think we have Poker Grinder who makes a living playing poker. Would he be 10-1 underdog? 20-1?


Would I be a 10-1 or 20-1 dog lol? I’d be 1000-1 dog. Dnegs accepted a challenge to play Polk hu when Polk was at one time before retirement the best heads up player in the world. It’s not close and Polk is going to win this easily. Honestly I don’t see the point of this at all for Daniel. Polk is being given free money. They are playing 25k hands over many sessions of $200/$400 no limit. The player who is down after 12.5k hands can quit. This is the equivalent of McGregor vs Mayweather except that Connor had a shot of knocking out Floyd on a fluke but that’s not possible over 25k hands. Dnegs will lose at least a million.
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November 2nd, 2020 at 2:46:04 PM permalink


november 4th it is
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November 2nd, 2020 at 2:59:14 PM permalink
Bill Perkins is betting on Doug Polk and giving 10-1 odds to Negreanu.

For those that don't know he is a large hedge fund manager and high stakes poker player. I just ordered his book.
https://www.amazon.com/Die-Zero-Getting-Your-Money/dp/0358099765/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=die+with+zero&qid=1604357887&sr=8-1
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November 2nd, 2020 at 4:54:48 PM permalink
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Bill Perkins is betting on Doug Polk and giving 10-1 odds to Negreanu.

For those that don't know he is a large hedge fund manager and high stakes poker player. I just ordered his book.
https://www.amazon.com/Die-Zero-Getting-Your-Money/dp/0358099765/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=die+with+zero&qid=1604357887&sr=8-1



It’s difficult to hear the name bill perkins because he’s a reflection of where I’m at as a poker player... a fish... he doesn’t believe that anyone has the hands they are repping and always loses lol
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November 2nd, 2020 at 5:33:45 PM permalink
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It’s difficult to hear the name bill perkins because he’s a reflection of where I’m at as a poker player... a fish... he doesn’t believe that anyone has the hands they are repping and always loses lol



Then I would like to play with him but I have never seen him in the $25-$50 games.
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November 2nd, 2020 at 6:17:03 PM permalink
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november 4th it is

why are they feuding?
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November 2nd, 2020 at 8:29:50 PM permalink
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Quote: heatmap



november 4th it is

why are they feuding?



no clue... i think over the years they took small vocal jabs at each other or something like that on youtube videos i think
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November 2nd, 2020 at 9:37:58 PM permalink
More like Polk was jabbing at Negreanu constantly to attract views to his videos.

Perkins has put 1mm on DNegs at 4 to 1. He thinks Daniel has some aces up his sleeves, I tend to agree.
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November 2nd, 2020 at 10:13:40 PM permalink
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More like Polk was jabbing at Negreanu constantly to attract views to his videos.

Perkins has put 1mm on DNegs at 4 to 1. He thinks Daniel has some aces up his sleeves, I tend to agree.



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November 2nd, 2020 at 11:23:44 PM permalink
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Dneg is a master at exploiting physical and vocal tells of opponents.


They are playing online
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November 3rd, 2020 at 7:18:41 AM permalink
Quote: rawtuff

More like Polk was jabbing at Negreanu constantly to attract views to his videos.

Perkins has put 1mm on DNegs at 4 to 1. He thinks Daniel has some aces up his sleeves, I tend to agree.

not sure all 1M was at 4:1 odds. only $500k confirmed at 4:1.
https://en.cardmates.net/negreanu_vs_polk_heads_up_was_rescheduled

"Douglas Polk is so confident of winning the heads up that he even made a prop bet with Bill Perkins.
The poker player bet $2 000 000 at 4:1 odds, meaning if he wins, Perkins will pay him $500 000; if Negreanu wins, then Polk will become $2 000 000 poorer.

Even though the stakes are very high, Doug Polk tweeted that Perkins was offering to bet even more money.
Perkins himself bet a total of $1 000 000 on this match, but the millionaire did not specify who he had made deals with."


also, why isnt Perkins using the 7:1 Vegas odds betting line? (or has that line come down to 4:1 now?)
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November 3rd, 2020 at 8:45:47 AM permalink
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They are playing online



I've watched a lot of Polk playing online I think he has some significant timing tells, if anyone is able to spot and exploit any of that it's Negreanu.
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November 3rd, 2020 at 8:50:12 AM permalink
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November 3rd, 2020 at 2:34:27 PM permalink
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They are playing online

Then I don't think D.G. Has a chance. In person it's a different story.
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November 3rd, 2020 at 5:15:55 PM permalink
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They are playing online

They'll be face to face tomorrow night. The first 200 hands will be shown for free.

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November 3rd, 2020 at 6:50:36 PM permalink
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They'll be face to face tomorrow night. The first 200 hands will be shown for free.

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200/25000 seems fair lol
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November 3rd, 2020 at 10:48:01 PM permalink
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Then I don't think D.G. Has a chance. In person it's a different story.



It will seem so, yes. Still rooting for Negreanu and for close match, Polk is a douche who needs a lesson in life maturity.
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November 4th, 2020 at 5:15:26 PM permalink
7 hands in doug down half his stack lol
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November 4th, 2020 at 7:47:47 PM permalink
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7 hands in doug down half his stack lol

woah.. down $500k?!
what happened?
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November 4th, 2020 at 8:38:32 PM permalink
Polk down $117K after 200 hands.

I tuned in with 10 hands left and saw plenty of fireworks!
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November 4th, 2020 at 9:01:07 PM permalink
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woah.. down $500k?!
what happened?



Come to think of it I was parroting the announcer and I think that number is way too high but it was somewhere around 40k I think
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November 5th, 2020 at 3:04:26 AM permalink
The first 200 hands -

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November 5th, 2020 at 7:23:30 AM permalink
Watched maybe 20%. I was unaware that the match was 25000 hands! Good start by DN. How long is the next 24k plus hands supposed to take?
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November 5th, 2020 at 7:40:13 AM permalink
Will they play each other exclusively until the 25K hand mark or will they take time off to play elsewhere?
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November 5th, 2020 at 8:24:23 AM permalink
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Will they play each other exclusively until the 25K hand mark or will they take time off to play elsewhere?




I heard they will play each other at least 4 days a week and more days if they agree. Also they will play 12,500 hands and then the loser at that time will have the option to quit or continue the last 12,500 hands.
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November 5th, 2020 at 11:13:09 AM permalink
They are also playing two tables at once so that will speed it up.
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November 5th, 2020 at 2:06:08 PM permalink
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The first 200 hands



Thank you for sharing. I can't imagine anyone paying specifically for this. I saw enough with the free preview. Thanks again.
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November 6th, 2020 at 8:02:34 AM permalink
I watched the live hands. Those were slow going but interesting. The online hands will be much faster but I believe they agreed not to show hole cards (even much later). That makes it far less interesting to me. I will be checking in from time to time to see how it’s going.
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November 30th, 2020 at 8:51:25 PM permalink
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=VvKqDp5Jnes

Hope this wasn't part of it.
He ran reeeeaaaaallly bad in the 3hrs of play in that video.

And final results of the dnegs/Polk match?

edit:
yes it was part of the challenge.
dnegs lost $300k in that 3hr session.
he ran bad
Last edited by: 100xOdds on Dec 1, 2020
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December 1st, 2020 at 6:24:50 AM permalink
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=VvKqDp5Jnes

Hope this wasn't part of it.
He ran reeeeaaaaallly bad in the 3hrs of play in that video.

And final results of the dnegs/Polk match?



My guess is Polk will be up about 25 buy ins at the 12,500 hand mark.
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December 1st, 2020 at 7:01:10 AM permalink
Looks like DNeg down about $600k at the moment.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cardschat.com/news/daniel-negreanu-hero-call-doug-polk-96201/amp/
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December 22nd, 2020 at 1:31:04 PM permalink
Dnegs has made a little come back. Was close to a million down at one point.

Currently down 696k after 11,300 hands

Next meeting tomorrow 2:30 PT
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