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May 16th, 2020 at 4:45:57 PM permalink
Apparently the people at two plus two have already decided this was a non issue and it was crap... but as i am bored heres a statistical analysis of 53 thousand or so of the persons hands, written in a ~200 or so page analysis of what they think is going on.

So i find this thread - https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/25/probability/rather-scientific-examination-pokerstars-random-card-shuffle-1706272/

which lead me to - https://issuu.com/ionutapahideanu/docs/statrep_-_online_poker_-_rigged_or_

which is not available for download but authors these days usually self publish in different formats and it lead me to -

https://independent.academia.edu/ApahideanuIonut

DOWNLOAD PDF HERE (remember its like 200 pages) -

https://www.academia.edu/34059393/Online_Poker_-_Rigged_or_Not_A_statistical_case_study_Pokerstars
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May 16th, 2020 at 5:11:49 PM permalink
Glancing over the thread, doesn't seem to be much support. Since the poster mentions 2 possibilities for losing, the decline in skill level seems to be the problem. Based on the assumptions, and nothing else. I can't do anything to analyze anything.
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May 16th, 2020 at 5:34:33 PM permalink
Yeah I figured I would leave a breadcrumb for myself and others who are interested no analysis needed I just hate when things get erased from history
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May 27th, 2020 at 2:55:51 PM permalink
Maybe, there were certainly a number of scams involved with online poker. Some where multiple players would sit at the same table and work together by texting each other hand info.

There was also the NY Sports King poker incident, where he ran an online poker site like Fantasy Football and paid winners himself. Only to be found out as a fraud by not paying people cash outs of $20K, $40K, etc. He would delay the payouts as long as possible or ghost people who messaged him demanding the money. His method of paying initially was using the deposits of new members to pay out the winners, but soon enough the deposits dried up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzCcXN4KJtg
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May 27th, 2020 at 4:17:55 PM permalink
Quick anecdote: my friend's nieces, who were not particularly avid poker players or even gamblers, used to get together and Skype to share info while playing at a communal table online. So whoever was playing against them obviously never got true odds while playing on the same tables. They did it just for funsies to more or less feel superior. Imagine what serious players out to make serious money do.
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May 27th, 2020 at 5:01:05 PM permalink
Quote: redietz

Quick anecdote: my friend's nieces, who were not particularly avid poker players or even gamblers, used to get together and Skype to share info while playing at a communal table online. So whoever was playing against them obviously never got true odds while playing on the same tables. They did it just for funsies to more or less feel superior. Imagine what serious players out to make serious money do.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WnkGYexZT0&t=118s

These guys developed software hacks that allowed them to view ALL hands each round and feed it to their inside man at the table.
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May 28th, 2020 at 12:38:43 PM permalink
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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May 28th, 2020 at 2:01:25 PM permalink
Wish I could play online poker
Florida has issues with online poker
sucks
Its getting better. Fantasy sports for money allowed
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May 28th, 2020 at 6:20:24 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

Wish I could play online poker
Florida has issues with online poker
sucks
Its getting better. Fantasy sports for money allowed

you can play online depending on how badly you want to play.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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May 28th, 2020 at 6:51:46 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

you can play online depending on how badly you want to play.


What do you suggest for a FL resident?
I'd like to play in the larger poker sites with lots of players and a lot of real cheap tournaments
I'd like to deposit around 50.00. Yea that's not much but I just want to play for fun
I don't want to be forced into any bonuses
I don't want to have to go through hoops just to refuse a bonus
I should be able to make a small deposit and just decline the bonus. Is that possible?
My opinion, the bonus game is an insidious racket designed to keep 100% of deposits
The ads to the right should be banned :-)

I played at Poker stars back in the day. Lots of cheap tournaments, buck or 2 entry, lots of players
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