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unJon
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October 3rd, 2019 at 5:23:03 AM permalink
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Iím not logged in and I can still see the thread.

Weird. I dug out my log in info and can see thread again.
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October 3rd, 2019 at 6:53:59 AM permalink
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I see in that thread that some think he might of worn a Bone Conduction Headset in his baseball caps. I guess baseball caps will be the next thing banned at casinos, lol.

https://www.maxvirtual.com/all-products.html#!/Cynaps-Assist-Assistive-Listening-via-Bone-Conduction/p/32772572/category=12180222


Obviously, I don't know how all this technology works.
I thought most all the speculation is that he was using his phone. If you watch Doug Polkís video you can clearly see is abnormally focused on keeping his phone in his left hand under the table in his lap out of view and oftentimes looking at it at unusual times during hands. I can't begin to explain how obvious it it seems you just have to watch it for yourself.

Perhaps you need the phone and hat working in conjunction with each other somehow?

I know there's been lots of comments from people thinking something's buzzing him letting him know if he has a winning hand or a losing hand against specific players. That seems very unlikely and it goes much beyond that considering his bet sizing seems right in line with knowing exactly what the hole cards are. He knows how much the bet to string people along when he has a good hand and he knows exactly when to push to get them off their hand.

What I don't understand is even after they banned phones(apparently they didn't enforce this) he still continued whatever he was doing. I would assume he would have figured the gig was up and if he continued he would get caught. I guess it's possible he assumed the phone ban. was from some other reason like slowing down the game.

I just have to think that he had some hints that people suspected he was doing something funny months before he got caught, yet he still continued. That's what's so puzzling to me. Unless of course he did have somebody on the inside assuring him everything would be okay? If it was somebody on the inside helping the guy out you would think they would be able freaked out as well. Is it possible a particular commentators personal equipment or devices have been compromised unknowing to them?
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October 3rd, 2019 at 7:46:09 AM permalink
i feel like im in backwards land. normally im the one accusing the casino or whatever it is of cheating. But everything ive seen about this and the videos that are available do me no justice. i just dont see it. There are NO cameras in the table they use when streaming. I feel like that alone would be the only way to see through hole cards if someone was colluding because then someone would have access to the feed and people are not trustworthy.

ALTHOUGH i do not understand how the cards are known to the cameras... is that done in some kind of post production as in they have someone recording everyones hands as they are mucked?

in any case ill get creative here ...

IF the cards are RFID enabled... thats the only way.

But the attacker would need to have the database of numbers that correlated to which cards belong to which number that the RFID chip is showing.

Maybe this guys has it.

Phones these days do come with RFID readers, and there are many apps that allow you to find and store the RFID signals.

But without the arbitrarily created database that Stones has made themselves unless you bring a phone which scanned and identified which number correlates to which cards only after they were identified and turned over by the players as they play. Although after a nice hour I dont doubt the entire collection of cards cant be identified.

If someone can find the manufacturer of the system that allows the entire production of the live stream, and if the cameras or whatever is happening uses RFID to identify and display the cards on screen, then this story might be possible. I am currently searching and have found that RFID playing cards are very common these days, at least being sold on Alibaba https://www.alibaba.com/showroom/rfid-playing-cards.html

So we have this production system, that someone has access to but we dont necessarily know how the camera knows which cards are and have been played, and if it is RFID chips in the cards, then I fully believe this is possible to pull off even without colluding with the owners or anyone but yourself because if my phone can read and store the chips into a database then all i have to do is let the phone sit and scan within a split second to know of the chips that are currently within my range, all i need to do is sit tightly and hope that I didnt mislabel the cards that I think are correlated with the chip number. (run on sorry)
DRich
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October 3rd, 2019 at 7:50:31 AM permalink
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i feel like im in backwards land. normally im the one accusing the casino or whatever it is of cheating. But everything ive seen about this and the videos that are available do me no justice. i just dont see it. There are NO cameras in the table they use when streaming. I feel like that alone would be the only way to see through hole cards if someone was colluding because then someone would have access to the feed and people are not trustworthy.

ALTHOUGH i do not understand how the cards are known to the cameras... is that done in some kind of post production as in they have someone recording everyones hands as they are mucked?

in any case ill get creative here ...

IF the cards are RFID enabled... thats the only way.

But the attacker would need to have the database of numbers that correlated to which cards belong to which number that the RFID chip is showing.

Maybe this guys has it.

Phones these days do come with RFID readers, and there are many apps that allow you to find and store the RFID signals.

But without the arbitrarily created database that Stones has made themselves unless you bring a phone which scanned and identified which number correlates to which cards only after they were identified and turned over by the players as they play. Although after a nice hour I dont doubt the entire collection of cards cant be identified.

If someone can find the manufacturer of the system that allows the entire production of the live stream, and if the cameras or whatever is happening uses RFID to identify and display the cards on screen, then this story might be possible. I am currently searching and have found that RFID playing cards are very common these days, at least being sold on Alibaba https://www.alibaba.com/showroom/rfid-playing-cards.html

So we have this production system, that someone has access to but we dont necessarily know how the camera knows which cards are and have been played, and if it is RFID chips in the cards, then I fully believe this is possible to pull off even without colluding with the owners or anyone but yourself because if my phone can read and store the chips into a database then all i have to do is let the phone sit and scan within a split second to know of the chips that are currently within my range, all i need to do is sit tightly and hope that I didnt mislabel the cards that I think are correlated with the chip number. (run on sorry)



I believe it is RFID chips in the cards.
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October 3rd, 2019 at 8:15:57 AM permalink
This is what happens when you comment without reading heatmap. Yes they use RFID to show the cards as every live stream Iíve ever seen does. Postle was the one who helped set up the stream so this would have been very easy for him as he knows how it works.
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October 3rd, 2019 at 8:31:32 AM permalink
Mike is kind of a done deal. Many more silly hands. Still no examples of him being bluffed off a hand stronger than 4th pair with 4 to a straight out there. Still no examples of him bluffing someone with a decent hand.

On to Justin, the manager/producer. So, Justin went to Vegas for the WSOP and Mike stopped playing much. When he did play, he dressed and behaved differently. He also suddenly stunk at poker.

New: Justin did an appearance in the broadcast booth, away from his normal duties. Mike lost his psychic abilities during this time and then regained them immediately.

Someone found another session during which Mike played like a mortal. Justin was on vacation in Australia.
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October 3rd, 2019 at 8:40:00 AM permalink
The Twitter posts from Joey Ingram, Doug Polk, Scott Seiver and Tony Dunst are great!

Cheating is bad but Iím loving it because itís so comical.
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October 3rd, 2019 at 8:47:54 AM permalink
Quote: PokerGrinder

This is what happens when you comment without reading heatmap. Yes they use RFID to show the cards as every live stream Iíve ever seen does. Postle was the one who helped set up the stream so this would have been very easy for him as he knows how it works.



you are correct that i dont read the entire thread, but i can barely read a book past the first couple of pages. i have the intention span of a fish. i thought that it was just a thought from drich that they MIGHT be using RFID chips within the cards, not that they were using it. and if you are saying that he helped set up the stream, then yes i am changing my viewpoint that he had inside information and if he understands how to set up the stream he most likely knows alot more than we all know. Do you possibly have a link that says he helped set it up?

edit :

my only thing is the mucked cards and the cards within the dealers hand that have yet to be dealt. and i would say that someone would need to have a live overlay of what the camera was seeing, and the RFID cards would need to be triangulated to the specific distances as to where the specific cards were at relative to the scanner and the live overlay would be amazing looking like having xray vision.

edit 2

and why else, if the owner wasnt colluding, would the owner let a person who set up the stream play in the first place? casino employees, at least at the sands bethlehem, cant play at their own place of work... for whatever reasons
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October 3rd, 2019 at 8:51:46 AM permalink
I saw a cool idea on Twitter. There are different variations, but you have a game where one player is the super user, but nobody else knows who. But, if you identify the super user you get a big reward and they get a penalty. Let's just say, you get half their stack.

Another cool thing to think about is if you were playing a super user and knew they were superusing. Who would have the advantage?

For example, if you had a medium strength hand and they bed small, you know you are probably beat and they are hoping for a call. But if they bet yuge, you know they are probably bluffing.

It would be just awesome to watch the superuser lose his effing mind in this situation.
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October 3rd, 2019 at 9:14:32 AM permalink
2+2 thread on Mike Postle would be all you need to get all this info heatmap.

As far as the RFID the players have a designated spot on the felt in front of them to put their cards so that the reader can read their cards. Itís a lot simpler than you are making it out to be.
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