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Ayecarumba
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October 12th, 2010 at 4:30:46 PM permalink
There are situations where each has an advantage, but if you had to only pick one, which would be more profitable?
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SOOPOO
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October 12th, 2010 at 4:33:18 PM permalink
Opponents- not even close-
AZDuffman
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October 12th, 2010 at 4:34:39 PM permalink
Knowing his cards gives you far better information. Knowing the board preflop only gives you part of the picture.
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rtpud
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October 12th, 2010 at 5:04:12 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

Knowing his cards gives you far better information. Knowing the board preflop only gives you part of the picture.



tell that to Stuey Ungar! Notorious for calling opponents cards and then trying to push them off hands he thought they shoud fold :). But he is also considered by many to be the best player ever...so yeah i guess I agree!
Ayecarumba
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October 12th, 2010 at 5:18:02 PM permalink
Is there not enough value in knowing that your 5-7 offsuit, or similar, will turn into a straight, set, or full house? Or that your ace-rag will four flush? Knowing the board will give you powerful information that will pay off (and save you from chasing and paying for draws that don't come in), whereas knowing your opponents hole cards may only save you a bet on the river. You will have to pay for your draws... and then lay it down.
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SOOPOO
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October 12th, 2010 at 6:40:48 PM permalink
Yikes- yes you may lose a scant few... but you will NEVER be bluffed... and if you know your opponent has mediocre cards.. your 2 7 offsuit will never have to be shown....
mkl654321
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October 12th, 2010 at 7:07:25 PM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba

Is there not enough value in knowing that your 5-7 offsuit, or similar, will turn into a straight, set, or full house? Or that your ace-rag will four flush? Knowing the board will give you powerful information that will pay off (and save you from chasing and paying for draws that don't come in), whereas knowing your opponents hole cards may only save you a bet on the river. You will have to pay for your draws... and then lay it down.



Consider the situation after the flop. If you had known the flop beforehand, you no longer have any advantage. If, however, you had known your opponent's hand, the advantage is still there.
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DJTeddyBear
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October 12th, 2010 at 7:21:28 PM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba

Is there not enough value in knowing that your 5-7 offsuit, or similar, will turn into a straight, set, or full house?

No.

That's only valuable if you end up with the nuts, or near nuts. And that doesn't happen enough to be valuable.

By knowing your opponent's cards, you'll know if your crappy pair is good.



Quote: mkl654321

Consider the situation after the flop. If you had known the flop beforehand, you no longer have any advantage. If, however, you had known your opponent's hand, the advantage is still there.

I believe he meant knowing ALL five cards that were coming.

It's still better to know the opponent's cards.
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wildqat
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October 12th, 2010 at 11:03:58 PM permalink
Might I present the Fundamental Theorem of Poker?

Quote: David Sklansky

Every time you play a hand differently from the way you would have played it if you could see all your opponents' cards, they gain; and every time you play your hand the same way you would have played it if you could see all their cards, they lose. Conversely, every time opponents play their hands differently from the way they would have if they could see all your cards, you gain; and every time they play their hands the same way they would have played if they could see all your cards, you lose.



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