Solve My Problem of S&G

One of my big problems with my Sit & Go game is my betting - I think I play a good game but I don''t feel that I am maxmizing pot value when I have a hand and loosing too much when I am beat (but some of this is due to prob to many all in's)

So, what I am looking for are some guidelines about betting - or how do I learn how to bet?? I have collected S&G Booster to solve this problem. I know that a lot of this is table, players, game dependant - but there must be a better way to learn then I am now...

Thanks

Quote: mustafiz

One of my big problems with my Sit & Go game is my betting - I think I play a good game but I don''t feel that I am maxmizing pot value when I have a hand and loosing too much when I am beat (but some of this is due to prob to many all in's)

So, what I am looking for are some guidelines about betting - or how do I learn how to bet?? I have collected S&G Booster to solve this problem. I know that a lot of this is table, players, game dependant - but there must be a better way to learn then I am now...

Thanks

No limit TX Holdem ?
Play alot, the more you play, the more expereience, the better you get.
Alot of good holdem play comes from a ton of expereience.
Also buy a book and on basic strategy no limit holdem.
Also Cash game strategy and tournament strategy are very different.

I used to crush online SNGs. I had a simple strategy: aim to finish in the money. Don't worry about whether you finish first, second, or third. This means that you basically curl up into a ball and watch others implode if you're not getting premium hands. Shove preflop with AK/AA/KK/QQ and be aware of M; if yours drops too low to outlast enough people, then open-shove with anything reasonable (say, M of 4 or lower; 5 or more players remaining).

The key is that most people are just taking a shot and will have no patience. They also have their eyes fixed firmly on first place, nothing else. SNGs should be played in the opposite fashion to most tournaments, in that passive, tight play will often let you just coast into the money. I've found that you generally need one double-up to survive the attrition, but once you survive that hurdle, you are all but guaranteed third and still have a shot at first or second. This equates to significant +EV in the long haul.

Given the size of the stacks and the rapid escalation of the blinds, SNGs are a preflop game anyway. Get it in good, double up, and wait until you're in the money. Not particularly exciting, but effective.

Quote: Eaglesnest

I used to crush online SNGs. I had a simple strategy: aim to finish in the money. Don't worry about whether you finish first, second, or third. This means that you basically curl up into a ball and watch others implode if you're not getting premium hands. Shove preflop with AK/AA/KK/QQ and be aware of M; if yours drops too low to outlast enough people, then open-shove with anything reasonable (say, M of 4 or lower; 5 or more players remaining).

The key is that most people are just taking a shot and will have no patience. They also have their eyes fixed firmly on first place, nothing else. SNGs should be played in the opposite fashion to most tournaments, in that passive, tight play will often let you just coast into the money. I've found that you generally need one double-up to survive the attrition, but once you survive that hurdle, you are all but guaranteed third and still have a shot at first or second. This equates to significant +EV in the long haul.

Given the size of the stacks and the rapid escalation of the blinds, SNGs are a preflop game anyway. Get it in good, double up, and wait until you're in the money. Not particularly exciting, but effective.

I used to crush online SNGs. What happened?

How many players we talking? A single table or More? When I first started playing online tourneys I tried something similar to this, lots of others did the same thing in the same tournaments. There were far more of them then there were rammers and jammers. The problem is once you get down to the final people you have very few chips VS them. I realize the point is not first and to just profit a small amount at a time. I'm just not sure if this can be profitable in the long run, at least not in a limit that's worth the time. You would have to show me at least 50 or more tournaments you are placing in the money enough to make it profitable.

They are probably talking about single-table SNGs. One double-up is usually enough to get to 3rd where the money is. Takes less than an hour to finish one too, a pretty reasonably return if you are patient and play a lot.

I quit playing online poker once I experienced two separate instances of not being able to cash out my winnings. Then, of course, all the cheating scandals hit. I will never play online again, and neither should anyone else.

I am definitely talking about single table SNGs. The formula is still applicable live. I have made some nice scores playing in SNGs at live tournaments. Usually they are short time-frame affairs with the first place prize being an entry into the next event. They are populated by desperate people trying to scrape up enough money to play. Talk about NO patience... I would never play in the event even if I won the SNG; I'd just sell my entry at a 5% discount.

As far as long-run profitability goes, I can only tell you that my in-the-money percentage historically was 85%. I just left my brain in the glove compartment most of the time and played a simplistic strategy.

Quote: Eaglesnest

I quit playing online poker once I experienced two separate instances of not being able to cash out my winnings. Then, of course, all the cheating scandals hit. I will never play online again, and neither should anyone else.

I am definitely talking about single table SNGs. The formula is still applicable live. I have made some nice scores playing in SNGs at live tournaments. Usually they are short time-frame affairs with the first place prize being an entry into the next event. They are populated by desperate people trying to scrape up enough money to play. Talk about NO patience... I would never play in the event even if I won the SNG; I'd just sell my entry at a 5% discount.

As far as long-run profitability goes, I can only tell you that my in-the-money percentage historically was 85%. I just left my brain in the glove compartment most of the time and played a simplistic strategy.

Over how many tournaments? If it were enough your confidences should be through the roof. If your cash rate was 85% it seems insane to let a few hiccups deter you. I would be scratching and fighting to find a place to play. There are quite a few places like Bovada you can still play with no problems. If it was that simple I would think a simple program could be developed to crank out that strategy, then you take over once you hit 3 players.

Quote: AxelWolf

Over how many tournaments? If it were enough your confidences should be through the roof. If your cash rate was 85% it seems insane to let a few hiccups deter you. I would be scratching and fighting to find a place to play. There are quite a few places like Bovada you can still play with no problems. If it was that simple I would think a simple program could be developed to crank out that strategy, then you take over once you hit 3 players.

Something like 400 tournaments--most in the $30-50 buyin range. I would consider it completely insane these days to gamble online in any fashion. Insofar as online poker is concerned, you have to worry about a) the site cheating; b) the site not honoring cashout requests; c) the site vanishing into thin air, along with your money; d) a single player hacking the site and knowing what your hand is and/or what the flop will be; e) multiple players colluding (the greatest danger IMHO), and a host of other potential problems. Each of the above-listed things has happened to me at least once. Until there is some kind of independent regulation and oversight (with TEETH), online gambling will always be for the foolhardy only. You can't even find out in what country some of these "companies" are located, and in every case (so far), they're out of the reach of US law, or any law for that matter. Bovada may be an exception to the rule, but I'd thoroughly vet their customer service AND find out what kind of recourse a player would have if screwed over before I'd deposit a farthing.

At any rate, my SNG method seems to work just as well for live games, though my sample size is smaller. I am 26 for 31 in live SNG cashes, so it would seem I can maintain that success rate. Again, it isn't because I have any kind of brilliant strategy (though what I'm using seems to work); it's more that the players in these games are so uniformly awful. The strategy is, in fact, so simple that I think a computer could very well execute it.

I think your strategy is reasonable but not very profitable. Against beginner players you will do okay but it will never work against above average players. The problem with poker today is that the majority of bad players have already went broke and given up poker. Everyday the competition is getting tougher.

If you live outside the US, I believe Pokerstars has proved themselves to be extremely reputable.

I can't imagine NV or NJ playing on the legal sites in their jurisdictions would be at much risk of getting ripped off either.

Quote: Eaglesnest

Something like 400 tournaments--most in the $30-50 buyin range. I would consider it completely insane these days to gamble online in any fashion. Insofar as online poker is concerned, you have to worry about a) the site cheating; b) the site not honoring cashout requests; c) the site vanishing into thin air, along with your money; d) a single player hacking the site and knowing what your hand is and/or what the flop will be; e) multiple players colluding (the greatest danger IMHO), and a host of other potential problems. Each of the above-listed things has happened to me at least once. Until there is some kind of independent regulation and oversight (with TEETH), online gambling will always be for the foolhardy only. You can't even find out in what country some of these "companies" are located, and in every case (so far), they're out of the reach of US law, or any law for that matter. Bovada may be an exception to the rule, but I'd thoroughly vet their customer service AND find out what kind of recourse a player would have if screwed over before I'd deposit a farthing.

At any rate, my SNG method seems to work just as well for live games, though my sample size is smaller. I am 26 for 31 in live SNG cashes, so it would seem I can maintain that success rate. Again, it isn't because I have any kind of brilliant strategy (though what I'm using seems to work); it's more that the players in these games are so uniformly awful. The strategy is, in fact, so simple that I think a computer could very well execute it.

If you're cashing in 83% of SNG why are you even thinking of going to Vegas to play video poker? Play poker!

Quote: Beardgoat

If you're cashing in 83% of SNG why are you even thinking of going to Vegas to play video poker? Play poker!

+1, with an 83% rate you should be able to make a nice hourly, especially in Vegas. I know around here sngs only get going about once a day if that but in Vegas that shouldn't be a problem. I also have a great ROI on sng's and my play style is similar to what was mentioned but it gets super boring, so there is that as well.