Boney526
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December 8th, 2012 at 12:26:09 PM permalink
I was playing 1/2, and I hand came up that I'm now second guessing.

I had a loose table image, as I had shown down some less than optimal hands (I actually stacked someone heads up w/ 23o when two 3s came on the flop and he had KK.)

Anyway, a new player sits down. He's older, though not very old, so I assume it's safe enough to assume he may be TAG. (I later realized he was more LAG than TAG, but he hadn't yet shown down any hands.) After a few hands, he's 2nd to act preflop, and raises it up to 12. Everyone folds to me, 1 off the button. I look at AhQd. I re-raise it to 50, attempting to shut down the pot here or find out whether he's actually got a decent hand himself. Everyone to my left folds, except him.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that both of us are pretty deepstacked. Probably about 300 behind him, and I have him more than covered.

Flop comes (103 in the pot)
5c 5h Kc

Check, Check (I checked because I thought he was not folding to a bet here, if he has something like AK, for obvious reasons. If he has a pocket pair, again, he's seen me play aggressive tonight and I didn't think he's laying it down. I think he wants me to bet into him.)

Turn comes (103)
Ks

Check, Check (Again I contemplated a bet, and maybe I should have. I still think he has me beat)

River (103)
8d

Villain bets 100.


What would you do in this situation?


(B/C I originally thought villain was TAG, I though he must have a pair of 77s or higher, or a hand like AK, AQ or maybe AJ or KQs. Basically I saw no situation where he'd call 50 without one of those hands, but I might be missing something. After thinking for 10ish seconds I fold. I figure I can tie him if he has the A high, and I lose in pretty much every other situation.)
Croupier
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December 8th, 2012 at 12:51:07 PM permalink
For me, its a fold. I cant call hoping for a split pot.
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sodawater
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December 8th, 2012 at 12:54:30 PM permalink
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terapined
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December 8th, 2012 at 1:00:33 PM permalink
When the K came out. I would have bet. There is a good chance you may have had the best hand with the A kicker. Otherwise, I would have folded when you did.
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tringlomane
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December 8th, 2012 at 2:01:54 PM permalink
As played, fold, it's not worth calling to hope to split. I would have cbet flop and hope he lays it down. cbetting flop in 3 bet pots is pretty important unless villain is very sticky.

Quote: sodawater

easy fold... frankly i don't see why it's interesting enough to write it up.



Considering the amount of poker hands this forum sees, people can write anything and I'll read/respond to it. It's not like the NLHE mess better known as 2+2.
Boney526
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December 8th, 2012 at 3:15:08 PM permalink
Quote: Croupier

For me, its a fold. I cant call hoping for a split pot.





Obviously calling is a bad play.

I was more interested if people thought it'd be better to raise. I suppose also wanted to see if anybody would have bet the turn or flop rather than check behind him.

Up until a few hands later I didn't think twice. I thought I played it fine, but then I saw him show down 36s with a 3 of a kind, in a pot which he was out of position and called a raise. My logic to fold was based on the fact that I thought he was a TAG, but I now think he could have made that play without any even an Ace kicker.
Boney526
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December 8th, 2012 at 3:19:27 PM permalink
Quote: sodawater

easy fold... frankly i don't see why it's interesting enough to write it up. You should have bet the turn when the second K came because that's representing QQ or JJ and he probably has something like 99 or TT or JJ himself. Once you check it twice he value bet his higher 2 pair.



Yep I guess my read wasn't bad.

I may have written this up partly because I've been playing Poker more seriously over the past few months. I'm only starting to see read hand ranges on certain hands and want to see if my logic is sound.... or if other players think what I did was a mistake, in various scenarios. I was reading his range as 77+ or AK, AQ, AJ, QKs. Basically, I'm not able to put people on a range as often as I like, but I've slowly learnt all of the basic poker skills and want to make sure I'm doing this correctly.

There's a chance I was completely bluffed out of a pot, but I guess if I thought he was a TAG originally, I made the right play. I was probably beat the whole time (if my range was right), so my only other move was to try to rep a better hand than him. I don't think he was folding, though.
Boney526
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December 8th, 2012 at 3:24:40 PM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

As played, fold, it's not worth calling to hope to split. I would have cbet flop and hope he lays it down. cbetting flop in 3 bet pots is pretty important unless villain is very sticky.




I usually do. I just thought his range was too strong, and that a C-Bet was more likely to cost me more money than I could get fold equity. In fact, in this same game I had another hand where I tried to steal the blinds one off the button. The guy on my left had been defending his button, and this time re-raised. I was basically holding junk (J4o) and the flop came Q67 rainbow. He bets 20 into 25 and I reraised him to 60 b/c he gave off a tell that his move was purely a position play.

Of course mine was purely a play on my read that time, but guess he won the pot with his Jack high.

This scenario was different because my read had him as stronger than me and I wasn't sure I could take the pot post flop. Maybe a raise was in order but I guess I wanted other opinions.
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December 8th, 2012 at 4:25:24 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

When the K came out. I would have bet. There is a good chance you may have had the best hand with the A kicker. Otherwise, I would have folded when you did.



Agree, Bet or shove on the turn in keeping with your image. You get donkey points for letting him go, now HE determines YOUR fate. You don;t seem well enough acquainted with his style of play. I have him sussed for a pair or Ace-other also. Folding is a wise choice, but calling the 12 bet in hindsight must be crampin your brain.
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tringlomane
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December 8th, 2012 at 4:33:40 PM permalink
Quote: Boney526

Yep I guess my read wasn't bad.

I may have written this up partly because I've been playing Poker more seriously over the past few months. I'm only starting to see read hand ranges on certain hands and want to see if my logic is sound.... or if other players think what I did was a mistake, in various scenarios. I was reading his range as 77+ or AK, AQ, AJ, QKs. Basically, I'm not able to put people on a range as often as I like, but I've slowly learnt all of the basic poker skills and want to make sure I'm doing this correctly.

There's a chance I was completely bluffed out of a pot, but I guess if I thought he was a TAG originally, I made the right play. I was probably beat the whole time (if my range was right), so my only other move was to try to rep a better hand than him. I don't think he was folding, though.



If you are thinking he is a TAG at the time, the range is reasonable (if it's full table), probably could add KQo, live players still think that hand is pretty..haha Obviously you have to adjust the range once you saw the 63s defend. You can also discount KK+, and AK a bit as they are more likely to 4-bet (not always with AK tho).

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