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November 13th, 2015 at 4:47:24 PM permalink
Quote: RaleighCraps

variation of previous replies...

you might not be an AP if if you feel counting an 8 deck shoe is too hard due to the 396 cards.



Or practice counting at home with 2 deck blackjack but you always get 104.
So Wizard, still no basic strategy for strip poker huh?
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November 13th, 2015 at 5:36:22 PM permalink
Quote: Romes

IF you think "The Savannah" is just a desert in Africa, youuuuuuuuuuu might not be an AP.

If you know that the Savannah was named after a stripper and not a desert, you're probably an AP. And maybe a cheater. ;)
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November 13th, 2015 at 9:07:01 PM permalink
If you combine a table game that already exists and combine it with another table game that already exists then call it your new table game invention, you are probably an AP.
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November 14th, 2015 at 12:25:09 AM permalink
Quote: Minty

If you think you can't count a six deck shoe because there are "too many cards" youuuuu might not be an AP.



Bruh read my sig
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November 14th, 2015 at 7:54:41 AM permalink
if you say "bad dealer" everytime you lose a hand. You might not be an AP.
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November 14th, 2015 at 8:06:15 AM permalink
If you count free drinks as part of your EV............
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November 14th, 2015 at 8:15:44 AM permalink
You might not be an AP if you lost roughly $300 in the Casino, and thank your lucky stars that you got it back. You actually thank God that you broke even. *blushes* :D
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November 14th, 2015 at 9:15:57 AM permalink
Quote: RaleighCraps

variation of previous replies...

you might not be an AP if if you feel counting an 8 deck shoe is too hard due to the 396 cards.


Youuuuuuuuuuuuu might not be an AP if you think a deck had 49 and 1/2 cards
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November 14th, 2015 at 12:03:04 PM permalink
I saw someone hit the table with his fist when he won. Obviously not an AP. Then he asked for a comp. Pit boss ignored him.
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November 14th, 2015 at 7:30:48 PM permalink
Quote: Gabes22

Youuuuuuuuuuuuu might not be an AP if you think a deck had 49 and 1/2 cards



Sweet, that now makes two of you that has pointed out both parts of the joke. :-)

That was a good strategy I used to use in snowball fights, attack on two fronts. Make two snowballs and then throw a high lob shot at your opponent. While they are watching it arc through the sky, you let the second one fly right at them. If you do it right, your second shot knocks them on their butt, and then the first one lands as well. It is funny enough to make you wet yourself.
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November 15th, 2015 at 12:00:48 AM permalink
You might not be an AP if this resembles you.....

http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/richmond.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/8/11/81135b4c-563c-11e4-abb8-001a4bcf6878/54417cbbd6723.image.jpg?resize=300%2C228

He has a DIY roulette and baccarat system he's about to print out.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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November 15th, 2015 at 4:05:50 AM permalink
Quote: RaleighCraps

Sweet, that now makes two of you that has pointed out both parts of the joke. :-)

That was a good strategy I used to use in snowball fights, attack on two fronts. Make two snowballs and then throw a high lob shot at your opponent. While they are watching it arc through the sky, you let the second one fly right at them. If you do it right, your second shot knocks them on their butt, and then the first one lands as well. It is funny enough to make you wet yourself.



I bet you sometimes stuck a small rock in the middle of a snowball too, you fiend LOL

Well, I don't know about the half-card, but 49 cards to a deck could account for the 3 or so 10-value cards they always secretly remove, you know.
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November 15th, 2015 at 4:28:39 AM permalink
You might not be an AP if you're half a card short of a full deck.
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November 15th, 2015 at 6:23:37 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

You might not be an AP if this resembles you.....

http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/richmond.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/8/11/81135b4c-563c-11e4-abb8-001a4bcf6878/54417cbbd6723.image.jpg?resize=300%2C228

He has a DIY roulette and baccarat system he's about to print out.


There is a rule about not disclosing the personal info on Forum members ;-)
Youuuuuu MIGHT be a 'rascal' if.......(nevermind ;-)...2F
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November 15th, 2015 at 7:10:15 AM permalink
Quote: charliepatrick

You might not be an AP if you're half a card short of a full deck.

... one B short of a load.
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November 15th, 2015 at 7:51:40 AM permalink
I read every post. Omg. I think I am an AP. 😀
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November 15th, 2015 at 8:37:29 AM permalink
You might not be an AP if you profit more from luck than from advantage
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November 15th, 2015 at 9:07:43 AM permalink
Quote: jjjoooggg

I read every post. Omg. I think I am an AP. 😀



Actually, I AM an AP (I don't need this thread to confirm it), and I do some of thing things that some of these people are saying "you might not be an AP, if you do", including at least one that you posted. Some of the things being dismissed as non-AP or voodoo are actually AP moves or plays, just maybe not in the way most obvious. So, I wouldn't base anything on this thread if I were you. :)

I gave my one and only answer much earlier in the thread and it was a serious response (which wasn't really the nature of the thread) relating to focusing on EV rather than results. But I do want give a second response based on my own home-life situation.

You might not be an AP (or professional player) if you sleep in your car most nights. LOL. I have a housemate who claims to be an AP/professional poker player, who slept in his car when I met him and still would be today, I suspect, if I hadn't taken him in like a lost puppy. He is not alone.....just easy for me to pick on him, as there is a whole subculture, especially of poker players that think the are AP's or "professional whatevers", when they live in their cars most of the time, with a few comped rooms mixed in. (If there was a shaking your head emoticon on this site, it would be inserted here)
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November 15th, 2015 at 9:15:54 AM permalink
You may not be an AP if you ask others at the table how to play some of your hands. Then again you just might be. :-)
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November 15th, 2015 at 9:42:29 AM permalink
Quote: kewlj

Some of the things being dismissed as non-AP or voodoo are actually AP moves or plays, just maybe not in the way most obvious.



Couldn't agree more.

As for the car thing... I try to keep it to 1 night a week or less, despite it being some of the best sleep I've gotten in the last 3 months.


If you only have one play, you might not be an AP.
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November 15th, 2015 at 10:03:13 AM permalink
Quote: kewlj

Actually, I AM an AP (I don't need this thread to confirm it), and I do some of thing things that some of these people are saying "you might not be an AP, if you do", including at least one that you posted.

Actually, you haven't confirmed anything here in any thread. How could you? Only a bit of simplistic blackjack jargon from some book or two.

Anyone who claims hundreds of thousands on the internet is irresponsibly misleading in the least, and wasting time at best. Most (psychologically secure) persons say they won yesterday, lost last week, and leave it at that.


Quote: kewlj

You might not be an AP (or professional player) if you sleep in your car most nights. LOL. I have a housemate who claims to be an AP/professional poker player, who slept in his car when I met him and still would be today, I suspect, if I hadn't taken him in like a lost puppy. He is not alone.....just easy for me to pick on him, as there is a whole subculture, especially of poker players that think the are AP's or "professional whatevers", when they live in their cars most of the time, with a few comped rooms mixed in. (If there was a shaking your head emoticon on this site, it would be inserted here)

Laughing would be the better picture.

Yeah, look at me! I'm an AP because I'm not always an AP. Drama garbage of the hopeless MickeyCrimm's. We all know 'em.

Gambling ain't so cute when you're no longer a cute little boy spouting numbers for some local media clip. Much more to it than simplistic numbers, and silly lowlife stories on the internet. Books and numbers will get you into trouble a lot faster than out.

Anyone who tells you about winning or earning a lot is almost certainly consistently losing or out of work. Self-evident.
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November 15th, 2015 at 10:21:13 AM permalink
Quote: djatc

Bruh read my sig

That's perfect. Can't believe I didn't notice that. Thanks for the smile.
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November 15th, 2015 at 10:38:10 AM permalink
Quote: TheGrimReaper13

Anyone who tells you about winning or earning a lot is almost certainly consistently losing or out of work. Self-evident.

Are you just limiting that comment to gambling activities or do you mean it broadly? Because if I were to assert that I earn a lot, it wouldn't at all be self-evident that I'm out of work.
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November 15th, 2015 at 10:49:34 AM permalink
TheGrimReaper13: Your post isn't really worthy of a response, but I will offer a brief one. I am very comfortable that my contributions to this site speak for themselves. But, you are free to believe whatever you like. Your comments really speaks more to you than it does to me.
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November 15th, 2015 at 10:55:45 AM permalink
Quote: kewlj

TheGrimReaper13: Your post isn't really worthy of a response, but I will offer a brief one. I am very comfortable that my contributions to this site speak for themselves. But, you are free to believe whatever you like. That really speaks more to you than it does to me.

And I may know what I want as well. I don't know you from Adam. If anything, your contributions here suggest otherwise. The proof is in the pudding. You can talk all you want. But it's still irresponsible to anyone who might believe you, and chase nonsense; and a waste of time to you.
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November 15th, 2015 at 10:59:12 AM permalink
Quote: MathExtremist

Are you just limiting that comment to gambling activities or do you mean it broadly? Because if I were to assert that I earn a lot, it wouldn't at all be self-evident that I'm out of work.

Anybody may assert anything on the internet. Why wouldn't a reputable person just say who he is, and where he works? Cut to the chase, skip the runaround of A vouches for B vouches for A.

Sometimes, logic is its own worst enemy.
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November 15th, 2015 at 11:01:21 AM permalink
Quote: kewlj

TheGrimReaper13: Your post isn't really worthy of a response, but I will offer a brief one. I am very comfortable that my contributions to this site speak for themselves. But, you are free to believe whatever you like. Your comments really speaks more to you than it does to me.

Don't get baited. The "pics or it didn't happen" mentality may be rampant but there's really no point in arguing with someone who believes everyone is lying about everything.

1) The statement below is a lie.
2) The statement above is the truth.
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November 15th, 2015 at 11:03:40 AM permalink
Quote: MathExtremist

Don't get baited. The "pics or it didn't happen" mentality may be rampant but there's really no point in arguing with someone who believes everyone is lying about everything.

1) The statement below is a lie.
2) The statement above is the truth.



Quote: TheGrimReaper13

Sometimes, logic is its own worst enemy.

So much bullshit; so little time!
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November 15th, 2015 at 11:05:21 AM permalink
Quote: TheGrimReaper13

Anybody may assert anything on the internet. Why wouldn't a reputable person just say who he is, and where he works? Cut to the chase, skip the runaround of A vouches for B vouches for A.

Sometimes, logic is its own worst enemy.

Reputable how? It should be self-evident that an AP's earning potential is improved with anonymity, so you shouldn't expect an AP to say "Hi, my name is John Smith, here's my photo, and I count cards at Mohegan Sun on Tuesday afternoons when Suzy is dealing because she can't tell I'm counting."

Or do you think anonymity and disrepute go hand in hand?
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November 15th, 2015 at 11:05:35 AM permalink
Quote: TheGrimReaper13

.. Why wouldn't a reputable person just say who he is, and where he works? ]



I am guessing TheGrimpReaper13 is admitting he is either not reputable or that is his real name.

Please post your real name, employer, address, phone #, SS#, DOB, and mothers maiden name. That's what a reputable person would do. Lol
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November 15th, 2015 at 11:08:33 AM permalink
Quote: DRich

I am guessing TheGrimpReaper13 is admitting he is either not reputable or that is his real name.

Please post your real name, employer, address, phone #, SS#, DOB, and mothers maiden name. That's what a reputable person would do. Lol

Ah, but I haven't made any spurious claims of success with gambling. I may be an axe-wielding murderer, but, clearly, no fool.
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November 15th, 2015 at 11:11:53 AM permalink
Heard an interview , I think her name is Laurie C, she is the wife of the guy that was the manager of the MIT blackjack team. I think it was on an archived "gambling with and edge" podcast

She is Asian and she said she would often use Asian superstitions/voodoo as a way to disguise that she was changing her bets when the count was good, she is really funny btw.

I bet we would not have thought she was an AP player either.
So Wizard, still no basic strategy for strip poker huh?
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November 15th, 2015 at 11:14:50 AM permalink
To be fair, wild accusations made at others aren't any more believable than someone's description of themself. Making accusations is bolder than someone claiming they are at a certain level of proficiency at something, I believe.
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November 15th, 2015 at 11:43:24 AM permalink
Quote: Minty

To be fair, wild accusations made at others aren't any more believable than someone's description of themself. Making accusations is bolder than someone claiming they are at a certain level of proficiency at something, I believe.

Not believing, or thinking that something is not real, is not an accusation of any type, let alone a wild accusation, eg, that someone is intentionally lying.

ME never established that KJ is an AP; let alone what an AP would do were there any AP's than, say, those dealt the same cards over and over (and adjusting play). Bringing lying into this is stupid and illogical. Next, we'll be talking insults. Everywhere an insult.
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November 15th, 2015 at 11:47:27 AM permalink
Quote: Wonko33

She is Asian and she said she would often use Asian superstitions/voodoo as a way to disguise that she was changing her bets when the count was good, she is really funny btw.

You can't disguise anything. The camera doesn't know voodoo.
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November 15th, 2015 at 12:09:16 PM permalink
Quote: TheGrimReaper13

You can't disguise anything. The camera doesn't know voodoo.



Same cameras that never saw anything wrong at the Bellagio craps table? ;)
So Wizard, still no basic strategy for strip poker huh?
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November 15th, 2015 at 12:50:20 PM permalink
You're definitely NOT an AP... when a shiftmanager flat-bets me $50 a hand... AND allows you to bet $10,000 a hand @ a $25 bj table.
I'm OK with Corps which pick and choose clienteles. Both insurance companies and casinos have the right to pick and choose customers. They may keep profitable ones and kicked out the rest. But, I'm not OK with a casino supervisor who says counting cards... is like stealing food from a buffet (a foodlifting offense), or video-taping a movie in a cinema (a piracy offense).
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November 15th, 2015 at 1:08:51 PM permalink
You're not an AP if you always find yourself standing in the back of this line http://s3-media1.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/Zp7PQqBoRw_HbM1hboAloQ/348s.jpg
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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November 15th, 2015 at 1:39:11 PM permalink
Come on guys, everything can't be taken so literally. You're not an AP if you believe everything in the AP world is cut and dry.

EVERYTHING CAN be AP'ed given the right circumstances. And there certain things people can do for cover or just plain entertainment. Being able to separate them and get more positive EV than you give up is key.



There's AP's and then there are anal AP's who wont bet a penny on anything negative whatsoever, probably the same guys who never tip for anything .

Obviously there's people who believe they can beat the odds but they are seriously deluded.

If you're actually trying to figure out if you're an AP by reading this thread then ya, you're probably not an AP.

There's so many different degrees of AP's. As a general rule no two AP's are exactly the same. There's guys who AP but don't actually make a living or anything close while doing it. I think that's the difference between the term AP and professional gambler. A professional gambler makes most of his money gambling. An AP mostly searches and plays stuff that has positive expectation.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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November 15th, 2015 at 1:52:36 PM permalink
If you bet green bay this week ;(
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November 15th, 2015 at 4:27:16 PM permalink
Quote: djatc

If you bet green bay this week ;(


Or ever bet on the Falcons going to the Super Bowl.
That would include if they have a big lead at half-time in the Conference Championship, or just about almost any and all circumstances you can imagine....
Youuuuuu MIGHT be a 'rascal' if.......(nevermind ;-)...2F
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November 15th, 2015 at 5:08:23 PM permalink
play 6 to 5 blackjack because both numbers are bigger than 3 to 2.
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November 15th, 2015 at 5:14:43 PM permalink
Quote: muleyvoice

play 6 to 5 blackjack because both numbers are bigger than 3 to 2.

+1
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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November 15th, 2015 at 5:26:50 PM permalink
If you now have to sort thru 25+ pages of often very witty responses to choose the $25 winner of the contest, and volunteered the help of a couple other Mods, well then, sorry, Youuuuuuuu may not be an AP!

Thanks anyway, been tons of fun!
Youuuuuu MIGHT be a 'rascal' if.......(nevermind ;-)...2F
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November 15th, 2015 at 5:42:25 PM permalink
If you think of penetration as something that is sought out by bachelors on weekend excursions before you think of blackjack, youuuu may not be an AP.
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November 15th, 2015 at 5:44:51 PM permalink
Quote: TwoFeathersATL

If you now have to sort thru 25+ pages of often very witty responses to choose the $25 winner of the contest, and volunteered the help of a couple other Mods, well then, sorry, Youuuuuuuu may not be an AP!

Thanks anyway, been tons of fun!

I was going to say if you were counting on that $25 you may not be an AP.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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November 15th, 2015 at 6:45:52 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I was going to say if you were counting on that $25 you may not be an AP.


I wasn't, and I'm not.
But you knew that...
Youuuuuu MIGHT be a 'rascal' if.......(nevermind ;-)...2F
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November 15th, 2015 at 8:01:39 PM permalink
You might not be an AP if you thought that free T-shirt you got when you signed up for a players card was a really good deal. Especially if you took a cab just to get it.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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November 16th, 2015 at 1:15:49 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

You might not be an AP if you thought that free T-shirt you got when you signed up for a players card was a really good deal. Especially if you took a cab just to get it.



If you'd rather get 3 T-shirts and 4 refillable water bottles from the casino instead of $300 in Freeplay.....you may not be an AP.
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November 16th, 2015 at 1:29:00 AM permalink
Quote: RS

If you'd rather get 3 T-shirts and 4 refillable water bottles from the casino instead of $300 in Freeplay.....you may not be an AP.

How's that working out for you?

BTW I actually know someone that got a free T instead of the $500 loss rebate (you know who you are) They didn't know about the rebate because the boothling didn't mention it. OUCH!
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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