Single Zero Roulette? Where in Las Vegas, Reno, and/or AC?
Can anyone advise where/if single zero is available in the U.S.A.?
The thought of playing "American Roulette" with both a single and double "0" disgust me. It must be the highest "house advantage" game on the casino floor.
Thank you.
Quote: onenickelmiracleBest I know you have to play in the high limit room probably $100 minimum.
Yeah, there is a couple in Vegas, most notably Venetian and Mandalay Bay. Not sure about other casinos.
They are quite commonly found in HL areas.
Good luck in beating the game, you are going to need it!!! :)
Quote: TomspurYeah, there is a couple in Vegas, most notably Venetian and Mandalay Bay. Not sure about other casinos.
They are quite commonly found in HL areas.
Good luck in beating the game, you are going to need it!!! :)
Thanks for both of you. I looked at the WOV section which has a list for Las Vegas. Just wanting to update my thinking. I wouldn't really want to play in a high limit "area" due to the higher level of security and showmanship etc.. Just a simply single zero wheel will suit me fine and dandy. The streaks in the single zero game are a sight to behold. I wish I had taken a photograph.
I have no idea what the minimums are like. Probably very high at night on a Friday or Saturday, especially after a major event at the grand garden arena. More reasonable during the week or during the day.
Your comment that you think you can beat the game is worrisome. You cannot.
Quote: AxiomOfChoice
Your comment that you think you can beat the game is worrisome. You cannot.
Had you seen the results in Nagaworld, Phnom Penh, Cambodia, the last two weeks you would not say that. The game runs in streaks and you have to have the courage to jump on them. It's simple really. Don't play scared or with scared money
Quote: NokTangHad you seen the results in Nagaworld, Phnom Penh, Cambodia, the last two weeks you would not say that. The game runs in streaks and you have to have the courage to jump on them. It's simple really. Don't play scared or with scared money
Gambler's fallacy at it's finest.
Didn't you recently say in another thread that you were a recovering gambling addict? This is not good....
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceGambler's fallacy at it's finest.
Didn't you recently say in another thread that you were a recovering gambling addict? This is not good....
Yes, your memory is correct. While I can guess your point, that each spin isn't related to the last one, the same as we often say about rolling dice, when a person sees an unbelievable sequence of events his mind starts to wonder if it is in fact a matter of "fact" that these streaks happen and frequently in a particular game and set of rules etc.. They even sped up the their spinning of the wheel's in an attempt to get this stuff stopped to no avail. With the wheel racing around at unbelievable speed and enough clatter as the ball fell could not get the stuff to cease. In addition, I might add, there was once an accidental rake of a wager which caused surveillance to be called and the game delayed. Nothing they tried worked, streak after streak after streak. And, I was the only one who noticed and wagerd on same. The Asian's are strictly numbers players some placing chips on each and every number including zero. A remarkable sight, the same amount, on each number, for one spin, by not just one player but several! Have you ever even imagined such a sight in a live cash real money game?
Quote: NokTangHad you seen the results in Nagaworld, Phnom Penh, Cambodia, the last two weeks you would not say that. The game runs in streaks and you have to have the courage to jump on them. It's simple really. Don't play scared or with scared money
this is great news. courage and confidence can overcome 350 years of probability mathematics. blaise pascal is gonna be so pissed.
Quote: sodawaterthis is great news. courage and confidence can overcome 350 years of probability mathematics. blaise pascal is gonna be so pissed.
Mathematics posted on this forum is based on an infinite sample. We however are in a mere lifetime which is restricted only by as you say, a lack of courage and confidence. I don't think I've ever lost a wager I was sure I was going to win.
Quote: NokTangMathematics posted on this forum is based on an infinite sample. We however are in a mere lifetime which is restricted only by as you say, a lack of courage and confidence. I don't think I've ever lost a wager I was sure I was going to win.
No, the same math applies whether it's one trial or many. In single-zero roulette, they pay 35 to 1 on a single number, but there are 36 losing slots and 1 winning slot. Hence even for one spin, the risk of $1 is not worth the reward of $35 if you win. It would have to be 36 to 1 to justify the risk.
It's the same thing for even money bets. Red pays 1 to 1, even though there are 18 winning slots and 19 losing slots. Hence, even for one spin, the risk of $1 is not worth the reward of $1 if you win. Red would have to pay 19 to 18 to justify the risk.
Quote: sodawaterNo, the same math applies whether it's one trial or many. In single-zero roulette, they pay 35 to 1 on a single number, but there are 36 losing slots and 1 winning slot. Hence even for one spin, the risk of $1 is not worth the reward of $35 if you win. It would have to be 36 to 1 to justify the risk.
It's the same thing for even money bets. Red pays 1 to 1, even though there are 18 winning slots and 19 losing slots. Hence, even for one spin, the risk of $1 is not worth the reward of $1 if you win. Red would have to pay 19 to 18 to justify the risk.
Yes, I think we all know that but you leave out the power of thought, desires, needs, etc.. Never under estimate the power of prayer and confidence. Courage you could argue but confidence, it is without any doubt a factor. My point was however that even in your example, you assume an infinite number of spins to create an environment of losing. We don't exist in that sphere of math. Okay, it's sometimes unfortunate to be able to type quickly as you think. Kind regards sodawater. I'm thinking, not writing.
Usually a poster like yourself will become angry at the lack of support for your ideas. Many times such a person is new to the site. You are not. What will we see next?
Or don't, its your money.
Quote: NokTangMathematics posted on this forum is based on an infinite sample.
No, it isn't. That is a common misconception.
The bottom line is that you are making a series of negative expectation bets. While you have some probability of winning, the probability that you will lose is greater. The longer you play, the higher your probability of losing.
While it's true that you must play for infinitely long to guarantee (100%) losing, you can be very, very sure (99%) of losing within a relatively short amount of time. Are you planning on flat-betting, or using some betting scheme (eg, negative progression?)
If you flat bet you will lose relatively quickly. With single-zero and no en-prison, for example, you have only a 20% chance of being even or ahead after 1000 spins. This is well within your lifetime. This is not based on an infinite sample; it's based on samples of 1000 spins.
If you use some negative progression betting scheme, you have a much better chance (even over 50%) of being ahead, but you are risking a lot more money for a much smaller gain -- when you do lose, you will lose far more than you ever had a chance to win.
I think that you should think long and hard about this. It seems that you are clinging to some crazy belief that you can predict the future as a way of feeding your gambling addiction. Do you really want to go down this road?
Confidence has nothing to do with anything at the roulette table.
You may find yourself ahead after any particular trip to the roulette wheel, but if you think you have some kind of edge at single-zero roulette that nobody else has you are simply wrong.
I've played streaks at roulette and had it work well for me (in streaks, go figure) but eventually you will lose your money. If you quit while you're ahead, great!
Just know that the next trip may never result in you being substantially ahead or even just being behind the entire time.
Your personal experience at one roulette wheel on one occasion does not change the reality of the game.
Quote: NokTangMathematics posted on this forum is based on an infinite sample. We however are in a mere lifetime which is restricted only by as you say, a lack of courage and confidence. I don't think I've ever lost a wager I was sure I was going to win.
You really need to be careful about thoughts like that if you had a gambling addiction because they are very dangerous and impossible to falsify. When you lose you'll just think well I was silly to make that bet I wasn't really sure I would win and if you win it will obviously be because you knew you were going to win. If you keep thinking like that you are dangerously close to spiraling out.
Quote: NokTangYes, I think we all know that but you leave out the power of thought, desires, needs, etc.. Never under estimate the power of prayer and confidence. Courage you could argue but confidence, it is without any doubt a factor. My point was however that even in your example, you assume an infinite number of spins to create an environment of losing. We don't exist in that sphere of math. Okay, it's sometimes unfortunate to be able to type quickly as you think. Kind regards sodawater. I'm thinking, not writing.
Man, you've got it bad.
Quote: TerribleTom
Man, you've got it bad.
Hi. Are you meaning to imply that I'm falling off the wagon so to speak, or am addicted to some far reaching extent, or what? Confidence has to play a role in gambling, otherwise, why do it?
Quote: NokTangHi. Are you meaning to imply that I'm falling off the wagon so to speak, or am addicted to some far reaching extent, or what? Confidence has to play a role in gambling, otherwise, why do it?
Whereas I agree with you that confidence in gambling is not a bad thing, confidence alone cannot change or even affect the outcome of a spin of the roulette wheel.
The only thing that can affect the outcome of a roulette wheel are the canoes and number divisions......
Still, I admire your tenacity, good luck to you.
Quote: NokTangHi. Are you meaning to imply that I'm falling off the wagon so to speak, or am addicted to some far reaching extent, or what? Confidence has to play a role in gambling, otherwise, why do it?
This streak stuff is nonsense; streaks provide no predictive value. You are betting with a disadvantage on every bet. You believe it not because it make sense (it doesn't make sense) but because you WANT to believe it. This belief is not a good thing for someone with a gambling addiction, as it provides an excuse to do what you really want to do (ie, gamble).
I'm not saying that people shouldn't gamble. But they should do it with their eyes open.
$100 European Roulette with La Partage/En Prison rules can be found at
* All MGM Properties
- Bellagio
- Mirage
- Rio
* The Wynn
* The Cosmopolitan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/En_prison
The game can be beaten! You simply have to stop while you are ahead in order to beat the game and bet big enough that it matters until then.
Most people, no matter how much you are ahead it is never enough.
GOOD LUCK!
Quote: Ahigh
The game can be beaten! You simply have to stop while you are ahead in order to beat the game and bet big enough that it matters until then.!
Thanks for the information and upbeat reply. So many here seem in denial about the streaks aspect and how you can in fact get far enough ahead to quit a winner.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceThis streak stuff is nonsense; streaks provide no predictive value. You are betting with a disadvantage on every bet. You believe it not because it make sense (it doesn't make sense) but because you WANT to believe it. This belief is not a good thing for someone with a gambling addiction, as it provides an excuse to do what you really want to do (ie, gamble).
I'm not saying that people shouldn't gamble. But they should do it with their eyes open.
An overall good set of points and principals, however, streaks do occur and if you aren't afraid to jump on them and then retreat at the end of same, you can walk away with real money. Wait for the opportunity by slowly pressing up to your comfort level maximum, then ride it out! Nothing lasts forever of course but it can be a winning ride and conclusion.
And what if you don't ever get ahead ?Quote: Ahigh$25 European Roulette can be found at the Venetian.
$100 European Roulette with La Partage/En Prison rules can be found at
* All MGM Properties
- Bellagio
- Mirage
- Rio
* The Wynn
* The Cosmopolitan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/En_prison
The game can be beaten! You simply have to stop while you are ahead in order to beat the game and bet big enough that it matters until then.
Most people, no matter how much you are ahead it is never enough.
GOOD LUCK!
Quote: AxelWolfAnd what if you don't ever get ahead ?
I think it "can" be beaten meaning "it is possible to come out ahead", not " this is a sustainable way to make money // play with an edge". In a way, I've beaten Pai Gow poker. Played a few hands and ended up +actual. Never played again.
Quote: RSI think it "can" be beaten meaning "it is possible to come out ahead", not " this is a sustainable way to make money // play with an edge". In a way, I've beaten Pai Gow poker. Played a few hands and ended up +actual. Never played again.
I like that guy's name. It sounds like a pain relief product from the makers of the orange drink the astronauts used.
Quote: NokTangAn overall good set of points and principals, however, streaks do occur and if you aren't afraid to jump on them and then retreat at the end of same, you can walk away with real money. Wait for the opportunity by slowly pressing up to your comfort level maximum, then ride it out! Nothing lasts forever of course but it can be a winning ride and conclusion.
I never said that streaks don't occur, I said that they provide no predictive value.
If there have been 4 blacks in a row, the probability of the next spin being black is 18/37 on single-zero, and 18/38 on double-zero, same as if the last 4 spins have been red, or if they have been black-red-red-black. The probability of you winning is still < 50%, and they are still paying you only even money on the game, so you are still not beating the game. The casino is just taking all your money, 1/37 of a bet at a time.
This is just gambler's fallacy feeding into an admitted gambling addiction. I'd suggest getting help before it gets out of control. This could end very badly for you.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceThis is just gambler's fallacy feeding into an admitted gambling addiction. I'd suggest getting help before it gets out of control. This could end very badly for you.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceI never said that streaks don't occur, I said that they provide no predictive value..
Everyone agrees on that. However, I said if you jump on a streak and ride it out, you can find yourself in the winners circle. If you don't i.e. continue to think there is no value in doing it, you will in fact lose in the long run.
Do you have a set "system" for the streaks? For example, do you specifically wait until a certain amount of red or black have been hit in a row before you bet it? Or is it more based on feel? For example, if you told me your strategy and it was a strict "do this if this happens, do that if that happens, don't play if other X happens".... Would I, if using your strategy at the same table, bet exactly as you would? Or is it more based on feel, where another player would not be able to bet the exact same way you do, because what you "feel" and what another player "feels" would be different?
Quote: NokTangEveryone agrees on that. However, I said if you jump on a streak and ride it out, you can find yourself in the winners circle. If you don't i.e. continue to think there is no value in doing it, you will in fact lose in the long run.
You will lose in the long run regardless. Do not get trapped in the gamblers fallacy.
Quote: RSWhat happens when there are 4 blacks in a row, you bet black, and the ball lands on red? Is the streak over? Or is that 1 red just a small blip in the streak? After it goes BBBBR, do you now bet with the Red streak (since the streak is 1), or do you bet black because 4/5 of the past 5 have been black?
Do you have a set "system" for the streaks? For example, do you specifically wait until a certain amount of red or black have been hit in a row before you bet it? Or is it more based on feel? For example, if you told me your strategy and it was a strict "do this if this happens, do that if that happens, don't play if other X happens".... Would I, if using your strategy at the same table, bet exactly as you would? Or is it more based on feel, where another player would not be able to bet the exact same way you do, because what you "feel" and what another player "feels" would be different?
To answer your question, you would then bet red(or odd/even or high/low). It's not a system, just as I keep repeating, a way to catch streaks of the even money wagers. You can lose quickly of course, but you can also win. I generally only ever got three pressed wagers out on the table a couple times in a session. Once you reach $300.usd(pressing from $100.usd aka one unit) I stopped pressing, but to repeat again, perhaps someone with more courage would have kept going up and up. As for "feel", you are quite correct. One woman's feelings are different from another. That said, I had my best luck with red/black and low numbers streak wise.
Quote: DeucekiesAre you guys sure he's not trolling?
It's just a conversation, one in which you aren't required to read and then worry about. Join in or get out but to attack members verses contributions, well who's the one "trolling"?
Quote: NokTangEveryone agrees on that. However, I said if you jump on a streak and ride it out, you can find yourself in the winners circle.
Sure. And if you flip a coin to choose which side to bet you can also end up in the winner's circle. And if you bet black every single time you can win. And also if you bet red every single time. And also if you bet red on even-numbered days of the month, and black on odd-numbered days of the month. It's completely random, so any bet selection process that you come up with can win. The key is, none of these is any more or less likely to win than any other system, including riding streaks, and, no matter which one you choose, you are making every bet with a negative expectation, so it is more likely that you will lose than that you will win, and, the longer you play, the smaller your chances of winning and the larger your chances of losing.
Quote: NokTangIt's just a conversation, one in which you aren't required to read and then worry about. Join in or get out but to attack members verses contributions, well who's the one "trolling"?
Oh, no worry at all. I assure you I find this thread quite entertaining.
Quote: NokTangIt's just a conversation, one in which you aren't required to read and then worry about. Join in or get out but to attack members verses contributions, well who's the one "trolling"?
The reason that he is suggesting that you may be trolling is that you are suggesting something completely ridiculous, that has been refuted time and time again, not only on this forum, but, throughout history.
For your sake, I hope that you are trolling (and that you don't really think that you can win money by "riding streaks"), but I don't think that you are, which is why I am concerned.
Why limit yourself? Imagine all the possible streaks one could find in roulette and use a system.Quote: rudeboyoiIdk why everyone bets red or black. Odd is obv the way to go.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceThe reason that he is suggesting that you may be trolling is that you are suggesting something completely ridiculous, that has been refuted time and time again, not only on this forum, but, throughout history.
For your sake, I hope that you are trolling (and that you don't really think that you can win money by "riding streaks"), but I don't think that you are, which is why I am concerned.
As you sit dumbfounded looking at a results history on the Christmas tree, showing a streak of say 8 black results in a row, you do in fact start to question your sanity for being so weak and stupid you didn't ride said streak out of fear it would not last. Then it happens again and again and you go back to your hotel and beat your head againist a urine soaked wall hoping for some relief. It's no system, it's merely waiting for said streak as I repeat, and not being afraid to jump on it and ride it out.
Quote: NokTangAs you sit dumbfounded looking at a results history on the Christmas tree, showing a streak of say 8 black results in a row, you do in fact start to question your sanity for being so weak and stupid you didn't ride said streak out of fear it would not last. Then it happens again and again and you go back to your hotel and beat your head againist a urine soaked wall hoping for some relief. It's no system, it's merely waiting for said streak as I repeat, and not being afraid to jump on it and ride it out.
I am beginning to become convinced that you are trolling, but just in case you aren't, I want to make this as clear for you as possible:
1. YES, streaks will happen in roulette. That is a mathematical certainty.
2. In a random game of independent trials, streaks do not have ANY predictive power (as Axiom already explained.)
3. Roulette is a random game of independent trials.
OK, so what that means is that "riding streaks" will not affect the house edge one bit. It is entirely a construct of your mind. Each spin is separate. There is no force in the universe that will serve to enforce a streak or (the opposite) stop a streak.
Now that that's out of the way, let's break it down logically. What do "red" or "black" mean? They're just painted slots on a wooden wheel. Do you think the ball somehow knows what color a slot is when it's about to drop into one?
If you want to take advantage of streaks, you have to provide some explanation as to what makes a given color more likely once a streak is underway.
In a game like baseball, if a batter is on a hitting streak, you can plausibly say that he might be more likely to hit in the next game, because he has confidence, pitchers fear him, he has improved, etc. But baseball is a game of skill. And even with all that skill, the hitting streak STILL might be statistical noise, and meaningless.
Quote: Randall Munroe
Roulette is not a game of skill. The ball is not sentient. The croupier can have no impact on what number or colors come up. It is a game of pure chance, and it follows simple rules of prediction. Every number and every color has the same chance of coming up every spin.
There is no past. There is no future. There is only the current spin. The current spin always means that there are 18 winning slots and 19 losing slots. But they only pay 1 to 1. That cannot be overcome.
I understand you are from Asia, and that faith in gambling streaks is a deep-rooted part of Asian gambling culture. You should see the looks I get at the pai gow tiles table after I insist on taking my turn to bank after the dealer gets a 3-4 and pays the entire table. But they shuffle the tiles every hand. They shake the dice every hand. And in roulette, they spin the wheel every hand.
Each spin is a new beginning, and its own end. It's beautiful if you can accept it.
You might wish to bet on streaks because it's fun, and that's fine. It's fun to construct narratives about why things happened. It's a quintessential human activity. The casinos know this, and they exploit it. That's why there are giant electronic scoreboards on every wheel. Humans are wired to recognize patterns. It's from our hunter-gatherer days. Even when there are no real patterns, we invent them. It's something to do.
But if you're posting on this forum about your plan to beat roulette by betting on streaks, please expect to have your ignorance corrected. That's what this forum is for.
Quote: NokTangyou go back to your hotel and beat your head againist a urine soaked wall hoping for some relief.
Finally, why are you staying in a hotel with a "urine-soaked" wall? Or are you peeing on the wall yourself?
