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October 6th, 2022 at 4:02:38 PM permalink
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The above post by Axel is mindblowing. Best post of 2022, IMO


A good account of a online poker scandal, exposed in 2007, which involved the Absolute Poker site is found here

Absolute Poker Cheating Scandal

Basically, Absolute Poker created an administrative account that could log on as an observer in any game and that could see all the hole cards of all players. Employees would sit in the corporate office, use the administrative account and follow their associate around from table to table as he played in high-stakes cash games and notify him of all the hole cards of his opponents in every hand.

In cheating that began in about 2003, a separate poker site called UltimateBet employed the same technique so that employees could collaborate with a player and send him info on all the hole cards of his opponents to inform his decisions. Details are found here:
UltimateBet Cheating Scandal

These cheating scandals were completely independent of each other until Absolute Poker bought UltimateBet in late 2006.

Although this is online poker rather than online casino games, the principles are the same. Online gambling is simply software and the employees rigged the software so that they could collude with confederates to make large amounts of money from the gamblers using their site. I see no reason to believe that operators of casino sites behave more ethically than operators of online poker sites.

The only real barrier to this kind of behavior is regulation - but it can't be low-energy for-show regulation. It has to be vigorous regulation employing excellent systems and staff that can't be bought.
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Lol someone show me the regulations that say the casinos cant make a god mode account that can do that AS OF TODAY

Itís basically up to the company who provides the poker to self regulate and make sure that they donít make god mode accounts

But they donít have to

The funny thing about the hole card viewer is that all the owner had to do is tell the programmer to do it and he really didnít need to tell or ask anyone if he could knowing damn well he shouldnít have

I love this conversation because I know all of this and the people who I have been able to convince outside of this place I truly have an impact on to the point where they actually stop gambling and thatís what these casinos donít want

They will have to murder me before I stop talking about it because I just want to stop people from giving them money as of this point
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October 7th, 2022 at 10:03:09 PM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

The above post by Axel is mindblowing. Best post of 2022, IMO


A good account of a online poker scandal, exposed in 2007, which involved the Absolute Poker site is found here

Absolute Poker Cheating Scandal

Basically, Absolute Poker created an administrative account that could log on as an observer in any game and that could see all the hole cards of all players. Employees would sit in the corporate office, use the administrative account and follow their associate around from table to table as he played in high-stakes cash games and notify him of all the hole cards of his opponents in every hand.

In cheating that began in about 2003, a separate poker site called UltimateBet employed the same technique so that employees could collaborate with a player and send him info on all the hole cards of his opponents to inform his decisions. Details are found here:
UltimateBet Cheating Scandal

These cheating scandals were completely independent of each other until Absolute Poker bought UltimateBet in late 2006.

Although this is online poker rather than online casino games, the principles are the same. Online gambling is simply software and the employees rigged the software so that they could collude with confederates to make large amounts of money from the gamblers using their site. I see no reason to believe that operators of casino sites behave more ethically than operators of online poker sites.

The only real barrier to this kind of behavior is regulation - but it can't be low-energy for-show regulation. It has to be vigorous regulation employing excellent systems and staff that can't be bought.
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Thank you, but to be honest, it was very subpar, it didn't take much time to find that stuff.

With just a few hours, I would have a post 10 times the length of that. MB would never see it... he seems to block guys like me. I'm -EV for Easy Vegas.

Again, I am absolutely not anti-online gambling or anti affiliates, I think you can get much better deals online than in B&M with better payouts. I see slots that are 97% payback online. You can get some great value if you do your research. Some affiliates like https://lcb.org/ do a good job of helping people who have issues with online casinos.

I have had a few different issues with online casinos and each time I contacted LCB my issues were quickly resolved. The last thing, an online casino would want is a bad reputation and to be blacklisted on their website.

Obviously, with over 10,000 online casinos, there are going to be many bad actors and problems that will never get resolved.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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