AxelWolf
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October 4th, 2022 at 7:45:12 AM permalink
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After quite a bit of blackjack play online, I began to notice small bets between $1-$10(I think I mostly kept it under $7) and was winning at a noticeable above-average rate. This seemed to happen soon after a new deposit once the account had been dormant for a long while, or on a new account.
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And you never bothered to log your play? Even if the offshore casino did not offer transaction logs, I would have written my own logger if I thought there was an algo that could be exploited.
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No, and I don't believe they had much of a personal hand history log available if any. As I said, there was something much more lucrative and that was my main focus.

Unfortunately, I don't know anything about programming or coding.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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October 4th, 2022 at 9:54:46 AM permalink
I've noticed certain patterns with Electronic Blackjack tables, but I doubt that it's fully "rigged". Of course it's frustrating to be dealt hard 14-16 three hands in a row while the dealer shows a picture card and nearly always has a picture card underneath.

I've even questioned the validity of parlor games such as Infinite Blackjack. Which are dealt live, but it is One on One, you never see the cards shuffled and they are always placed one by one into this mysterious black hole under the table. Coincidentally, every one can choose to play the hand as they please so some times an incorrect play can seemingly affect the outcome of that particular hand. But more often than not, you are dealt hard 12-16 and have to draw against dealer 7-A, so it ends up being the same situation when those characters STAND on hands that would regularly be a no brainer to hit.
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October 4th, 2022 at 11:29:13 AM permalink
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After quite a bit of blackjack play online, I began to notice small bets between $1-$10(I think I mostly kept it under $7) and was winning at a noticeable above-average rate. This seemed to happen soon after a new deposit once the account had been dormant for a long while, or on a new account.
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And you never bothered to log your play? Even if the offshore casino did not offer transaction logs, I would have written my own logger if I thought there was an algo that could be exploited.
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No, and I don't believe they had much of a personal hand history log available if any. As I said, there was something much more lucrative and that was my main focus.

Unfortunately, I don't know anything about programming or coding.
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Did you even look for logs? I only play regulated US casinos, but every one logs every bet and payoff. Otherwise, what do you do when your balance does not look right to you? Call them up and say "I have a feeling you owe me money"? I would never play in a joint that did not provide logs. Playback of individual hands is even better but somewhat rare. You can also use Xbox Game Bar to record every detail of your online sessions. Pencil and paper also works.

It is interesting that people who don't know how to extract and analyze data are most likely to accept rigging claims.
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October 4th, 2022 at 1:13:20 PM permalink
Allegations of online cheating come up so often, I wrote up five reasons why cheating at online casinos is rare.

Two of those reasons relate to watchdog mathematicians like the Wizard, who are able to easily detect cheating. He discovered that Casino Bar was cheating way back in 2002, early on in my tenure with him. I don't think he'll mind my mentioning the behind-the-scenes details now: After he wrote up his analysis, Casino Bar hired a pricey Park Avenue law firm and threatened to sue him if he didn't retract. The Wizard's lawyer was confident that he could defend the suit, but it would be expensive, something like $40-100k in today's dollars if I remember right. Today he'd quickly scoff at the suit, but back in 2002, this was before the website was successful, and he'd only just recently moved to Vegas to start being the Wizard, had a young family, and wasn't rolling in cash. Yet, he still didn't back down. The casino said, "Okay, expect to be served on Tuesday." But they were bluffing, they never filed. Here's the story of his takedown of the casino, including their attempts to intimidate him, minus all those behind-the-scenes details I just shared.

It's one thing to take the high ground, quite another when taking the high ground could have serious consequences for you and your loved ones. I respect the Wizard a lot for not backing down, even though doing so was risky for him. In the subsequent decades the Wizard and I got upset with each other over other matters, but we continue to respect each other's integrity. This case was a good example.
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October 4th, 2022 at 3:43:09 PM permalink
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After quite a bit of blackjack play online, I began to notice small bets between $1-$10(I think I mostly kept it under $7) and was winning at a noticeable above-average rate. This seemed to happen soon after a new deposit once the account had been dormant for a long while, or on a new account.
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And you never bothered to log your play? Even if the offshore casino did not offer transaction logs, I would have written my own logger if I thought there was an algo that could be exploited.
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No, and I don't believe they had much of a personal hand history log available if any. As I said, there was something much more lucrative and that was my main focus.

Unfortunately, I don't know anything about programming or coding.
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Did you even look for logs? I only play regulated US casinos, but every one logs every bet and payoff. Otherwise, what do you do when your balance does not look right to you? Call them up and say "I have a feeling you owe me money"? I would never play in a joint that did not provide logs. Playback of individual hands is even better but somewhat rare. You can also use Xbox Game Bar to record every detail of your online sessions. Pencil and paper also works.

It is interesting that people who don't know how to extract and analyze data are most likely to accept rigging claims.
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As I said it's ben a while approximately 7-10 years ago. At some point, I was restricted from accessing the casino.

Of course, I looked for logs/hand history. I'm fairly confident they were unavailable to view. I probably could've requested them from the casino but I certainly didn't want them looking at my account. You know, here are your logs, and by the way...You are banned. I was doing very well at the casino on something unrelated to Blackjack I and wasn't willing to take that risk. It certainly wasn't worth my time tracking and worrying about their blackjack.

I don't believe I would've been asked to help track results if logs were available, that would just seem silly. I did use an app for that. Nowadays, I do use a screen recorder when necessary.

I really don't care if the games are rigged or not, as long as I can overcome the rigged HA. I normally factor in rigged software and not getting paid period. It's not an exact science when factoring that stuff, it's more of a risk vs reward situation. If I'm only risking $300, and I stand to make a few thousand, I dive in, available logs rigged games or not (Most of the online casinos I'm aware of do have logs).



"It is interesting that people who don't know how to extract and analyze data are most likely to accept rigging claims."

I don't disagree with that statement.

Personally, I believe I'm less likely to accept rigging claims than most people. I have a long history of refusing them. But, whenever unregulated online casinos are involved, it doesn't take much convincing since the times I have highly suspected it, I have found solid evidence. Oddly enough, there was some evidence of shenanigans at that place as well.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
AxelWolf
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October 5th, 2022 at 3:51:55 AM permalink
Not an example of rigged software but certainly a flaw in programming. Look closely to see the problem.

Don't feel bad because it was actually paying 4k for a natural wheel A-5 straight flush.
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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October 5th, 2022 at 7:47:27 AM permalink
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Allegations of online cheating come up so often, I wrote up five reasons why online casinos don't cheat.

Two of those reasons relate to watchdog mathematicians like the Wizard, who are able to easily detect cheating. He discovered that Casino Bar was cheating way back in 2002, early on in my tenure with him. I don't think he'll mind my mentioning the behind-the-scenes details now: After he wrote up his analysis, Casino Bar hired a pricey Park Avenue law firm and threatened to sue him if he didn't retract. The Wizard's lawyer was confident that he could defend the suit, but it would be expensive, something like $40-100k in today's dollars if I remember right. Today he'd quickly scoff at the suit, but back in 2002, this was before the website was successful, and he'd only just recently moved to Vegas to start being the Wizard, had a young family, and wasn't rolling in cash. Yet, he still didn't back down. The casino said, "Okay, expect to be served on Tuesday." But they were bluffing, they never filed. Here's the story of his takedown of the casino, including their attempts to intimidate him, minus all those behind-the-scenes details I just shared.

It's one thing to take the high ground, quite another when taking the high ground could have serious consequences for you and your loved ones. I respect the Wizard a lot for not backing down, even though doing so was risky for him. In the subsequent decades the Wizard and I got upset with each other over other matters, but we continue to respect each other's integrity. This case was a good example.
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Hmmm. "Why online casinos don't cheat" And in your second paragraph, you give an account of an online casino that does cheat.

With bated breath, I await your articles on: Why men don't cheat on their wives; Why tax-payers don't cheat; Why politicians don't lie; Why corruption doesn't exist; Why people don't use drugs and Why rich people don't steal and do dishonorable things

Your outline for those articles could be the same as your article on Why Online Casinos Don't Cheat:
1. They don't need to
2. They'll be noticed and outted
3. There will be adverse consequences

Bwwaaa Haaa haa.
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October 5th, 2022 at 11:12:32 AM permalink
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Why rich people don't steal and do dishonorable things




Putin's net worth has been estimated at $70 billion - I've never read anything about him owning or running any business

I'm thinking he probably didn't need more than $25 billion to live comfortably

but still was highly motivated to 𝙖𝙘𝙦𝙪𝙞𝙧𝙚 much, much more______________________________________(~:/


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October 5th, 2022 at 11:33:43 AM permalink
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October 5th, 2022 at 11:54:39 AM permalink
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Quote: MichaelBluejay

Allegations of online cheating come up so often, I wrote up five reasons why online casinos don't cheat.

Two of those reasons relate to watchdog mathematicians like the Wizard, who are able to easily detect cheating. He discovered that Casino Bar was cheating way back in 2002, early on in my tenure with him. I don't think he'll mind my mentioning the behind-the-scenes details now: After he wrote up his analysis, Casino Bar hired a pricey Park Avenue law firm and threatened to sue him if he didn't retract. The Wizard's lawyer was confident that he could defend the suit, but it would be expensive, something like $40-100k in today's dollars if I remember right. Today he'd quickly scoff at the suit, but back in 2002, this was before the website was successful, and he'd only just recently moved to Vegas to start being the Wizard, had a young family, and wasn't rolling in cash. Yet, he still didn't back down. The casino said, "Okay, expect to be served on Tuesday." But they were bluffing, they never filed. Here's the story of his takedown of the casino, including their attempts to intimidate him, minus all those behind-the-scenes details I just shared.

It's one thing to take the high ground, quite another when taking the high ground could have serious consequences for you and your loved ones. I respect the Wizard a lot for not backing down, even though doing so was risky for him. In the subsequent decades the Wizard and I got upset with each other over other matters, but we continue to respect each other's integrity. This case was a good example.
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Hmmm. "Why online casinos don't cheat" And in your second paragraph, you give an account of an online casino that does cheat.

With bated breath, I await your articles on: Why men don't cheat on their wives; Why tax-payers don't cheat; Why politicians don't lie; Why corruption doesn't exist; Why people don't use drugs and Why rich people don't steal and do dishonorable things

Your outline for those articles could be the same as your article on Why Online Casinos Don't Cheat:
1. They don't need to
2. They'll be noticed and outted
3. There will be adverse consequences

Bwwaaa Haaa haa.
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Even funnier is the fact that under the section.(https://easy.vegas/online/)
"Rigged software is rare, for a number of reasons:

It's not impossible for online casinos to cheat, but it's pretty rare. And it's easy to avoid cheating casinos:"

If you're in a state that licenses casinos, just play at any licensed casino. Licensed casinos are honest, as none of them will risk losing their license by cheating.
In other areas, play at a casino with a good reputation, like my advertiser Bovada. I wouldn't advertise them if their software were rigged."


Bovada was found to be using rigged/bugged BetSoft software for quite some time.
I suggest reading the full article here. https://lcb.org/news/10144-warning-betsoft-progressives-problem

"TimesSome jackpots on specific coin sizes and certain games are never won at Bovada, while they routinely hit at Slots.iv, even though the amount of wagering is much higher at Bovada.

For example- the 5¢,10¢ and 25 ¢ denominations jackpots on Good Girl Bad Girl regularly hit at Slots.iv, but have never been won at Bovada since the tracking started 9 months ago. The odds of hitting the 5¢ jackpot on this slot are calculated to be 1:20,000 - yet it was played at Bovada nearly six million times without hitting whatsoever.

Additionally, the data indicates that in February, multiple slot machines at Bovada exhibited strange behavior that couldn't be accidental, since there were several slots behaving strangely all at the same time. The games that were otherwise regularly won all went without any wins for a period of about three weeks, to suddenly revert back to their previous win frequency at almost the same time."




"They've been around for over twenty years and have a good reputation."

I do agree that Bovada has a good reputation, I would absolutely play there. BetSoft And Nucleus is a major online software. To suggest online rigged software is RARE, is misleading.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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