lilredrooster
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May 6th, 2019 at 5:55:23 AM permalink
being a suspicious person by nature - having encountered so many scams and ripoffs in my lifetime - I would conclude this:


they 𝐝𝐞𝐥𝐢𝐛𝐞𝐫𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐥𝐲 made the rules very complicated and confusing knowing many would not follow them to the letter and then they would not be obligated to pay the various bonuses



in other words - they devised a legal way to screw the player out of bonuses
"𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘺𝘣𝘰𝘥𝘺 𝘩𝘢𝘴 𝘢 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘯 𝘶𝘯𝘵𝘪𝘭 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘺 𝘨𝘦𝘵 𝘩𝘪𝘵 𝘪𝘯 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘧𝘢𝘤𝘦" .......ᴍɪᴋᴇ ᴛyꜱᴏɴ
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May 6th, 2019 at 5:58:45 AM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

That said, Wizard should have known better than to just pop the money in his main wallet. DON'T maintain a high online casino balance: PROVE that at least a few withdrawals are honored and WITHDRAW ANY PROFITS soon and often.



I was told by other players that they honored withdrawals to players like me as long as they were not too big. As to how big "big" is, I was told the grey area was somewhere around several thousand.
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May 6th, 2019 at 6:22:04 AM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

That SHOULD be true. But re-read the rule as they quoted it to Wizard and re-read of GWAE's experience where he DID fully withdraw and they still penalised him.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/online/32987-down-and-out-at-intertops/#post716807

That said, Wizard should have known better than to just pop the money in his main wallet. DON'T maintain a high online casino balance: PROVE that at least a few withdrawals are honored and WITHDRAW ANY PROFITS soon and often.

I too have suffered online where a casino closes an account after a bonus was taken FULLY within the letter and the spirit of the rules. It's a dreadful cost of business when you play online.





GWAE'S problem was he deposited and played at a known scam casino. Cool Kat casino is known all across the internet as a terrible casino who will screw you at every chance. They do sometimes pay the small winners but if you win big....good luck.

I can give you a long list of casinos that are not trustworthy and should never be played at. Many offer huge bonuses 200% - 500%. I can also give you a list of casinos that will always pay you unless you break some big rule.
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May 6th, 2019 at 7:08:58 AM permalink
Quote: vegas

GWAE'S problem was he deposited and played at a known scam casino. Cool Kat casino is known all across the internet as a terrible casino who will screw you at every chance. They do sometimes pay the small winners but if you win big....good luck.

I can give you a long list of casinos that are not trustworthy and should never be played at. Many offer huge bonuses 200% - 500%. I can also give you a list of casinos that will always pay you unless you break some big rule.



Should have mentioned, this was at least 10 years ago. Not sure if they were on the list yet. Probably but lists were a little tougher to find.
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May 6th, 2019 at 8:25:29 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I was told by other players that they honored withdrawals to players like me as long as they were not too big. As to how big "big" is, I was told the grey area was somewhere around several thousand.



If this is true then I would classify Intertop as a ROGUE casino! Deciding not to pay based on amount won easily has them qualify for that title.

Allowing a system that is basically "Heads I lose, Tails doesn't count" also clearly establishes them as ROGUE. I would hope you and LCB make it clear that they are ROGUE.
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May 6th, 2019 at 8:53:36 AM permalink
Quote: GWAE

Should have mentioned, this was at least 10 years ago. Not sure if they were on the list yet. Probably but lists were a little tougher to find.



Cool Cat = bad for like forever. I'm quite sure they were on Casinomeister's Sh*t List from the time I started reading and listening to his site and podcast, and that was around 2001. I assume they are still RTG software, and many RTGs are notorious. A few were good. The software itself is great, they have great video poker games. They just don't care who they let use their software.
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May 6th, 2019 at 8:59:25 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

If this is true then I would classify Intertop as a ROGUE casino! Deciding not to pay based on amount won easily has them qualify for that title.

Allowing a system that is basically "Heads I lose, Tails doesn't count" also clearly establishes them as ROGUE. I would hope you and LCB make it clear that they are ROGUE.




My impression of them was that they were ok. I just never used them because video poker was always an excluded game with bonuses. But over the years I've seen highly acclaimed casinos or casino groups go from good to bad. Some really surprised me. It's still the Wild West out there.
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May 6th, 2019 at 11:10:39 AM permalink
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Y..make it more clear upfront( A pop up notice/warning when people opt in for a bonus) and don't even award a bonus for a wallet transfer. How hard is it to program that into their system? There is only one good reason I can think of that they allow you to take bonuses via a wallet transfer, and that is so they can free roll you.


This is the really dishonest part to me. Yes, by a careful accounting of the rules, the Wiz did not follow the specific script of money movement needed. BUT, they awarded the bonus money anyway! As Axel so eloquently stated...at the time you transfer the money from the main "wallet" to the casino wallet, it is possible to know if it was "fresh" money or not. And if it doesn't meet the rules, just don't award the deposit. But then they would miss out on the freeroll. Very unethical.
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May 6th, 2019 at 2:34:27 PM permalink
Quote: vegas

GWAE'S problem was he deposited and played at a known scam casino. Cool Kat casino is known all across the internet as a terrible casino who will screw you at every chance. They do sometimes pay the small winners but if you win big....good luck.

I can give you a long list of casinos that are not trustworthy and should never be played at. Many offer huge bonuses 200% - 500%. I can also give you a list of casinos that will always pay you unless you break some big rule.



I'd be interested in both lists.
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May 6th, 2019 at 5:11:08 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I'd be interested in both lists.



For some reason I thought you were personal friends with Casinomeister. Give his site a look, or better yet, give your buddy a call. (He lives in Germany) My impression is that YOU and Casinomeister are two of the squarest guys in the business, both honorable and trustworthy. If you don't know him, introduce yourself. I bet you'll become good friends.
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