Advantages vs Disadvantages of Online gambling.

Advantages

Very low overhead, so the payouts may be better since less money is going into paying the electricity bill, as in a land based casino.

You get to play in the comfort of your own home, so you can play while you relax in your pajamas, eat dinner and watch some TV. No going to a land based casino in the pouring rain.

Disadvantages

You are handing over your credit card/bank card assets online and have no idea who is on the other side. This is a scammer's/hackers paradise.

You also don't know who you are playing against, you definitely don't want to be a rookie Ploppy playing against a hardcore AP.

Just wonderful to get near the money in an online tournament and suddenly your opponents hand is being played by a much better player. If you have not been cheated in online poker, you have not played online poker.

Quote: Dean

Advantages
Very low overhead, so the payouts may be better since less money is going into paying the electricity bill, as in a land based casino.

True, but online casinos have to compensate for the lack of B&M fun with refunding a lot of cash via widely available promos and rakeback. The payouts may be better, but the variance in poker tournaments is large enough that the mean is a much lesser factor than in most games.

Quote: Dean

You are handing over your credit card/bank card assets online and have no idea who is on the other side. This is a scammer's/hackers paradise.

Most major online poker operators are relatively honest. Your risk of getting scammed is bigger than that of getting robbed in AC (pouring rain?) or something, but for the most part, online casinos and poker rooms have a large enough hold percentage that it's just not worth it for a major company. "Major" is a key word here.

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You also don't know who you are playing against, you definitely don't want to be a rookie Ploppy playing against a hardcore AP.

Neither do you IRL, it's not worth a poker celeb's time to play against you. unless you happen to kno and online AP would generally be the people that hunt down player-advantage promos en masse, what you mean is poker pros. There actually are programs like HEM and databases online that will help you identify the main/active accounts of tourney champs, and you can often just go watch random tourneys. Actually, with these tools, you can well know more about who you're playing against online.

What the main difference is is that online poker is just a different game. The rules may be the same, but the lack or the presence of live interaction makes them different psychologically and played differently.

playing online, I can be sure that no one will see my failure. + you can get free bonus for downloading

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playing online, I can be sure that no one will see my failure. + you can get free bonus for downloading

Plus sometimes shady sites have rigged games, and plus sometimes when you win you still don't get paid out. This is all after sending overseas people your credit card information, utility bills (to prove addresses or something), copies of your ID and CC for "cash out purposes", etc. Playing online itself is a gamble unless you stick to the reputable sights with the Wizard's protection.

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Plus sometimes shady sites have rigged games, and plus sometimes when you win you still don't get paid out. This is all after sending overseas people your credit card information, utility bills (to prove addresses or something), copies of your ID and CC for "cash out purposes", etc. Playing online itself is a gamble unless you stick to the reputable sights with the Wizard's protection.

absolutely right! I forgot to edit this note to my post.

Yes playing online casino has more advantage than disadvantage. One advantage would be a lot of offers like free money to play, free spins and a lot more depending on the casino. But the disadvantage would be offset if we play at a reputable online casino. Playing on new online casino casino's would be risky and it can be a hacker wanting to get your credit card info.

I don't feel comfortable handing out copies of my ID and Credit Card in order to play, as I have already been the victim of Identity Theft. Happened three years ago, and I am still upset about it(in 2013, scammers took a copy of my tax refund information and filed a tax return under my name and pocketed my tax refund money. When I filed my own tax refund at my local tax preparer office, I got a call the very next day informing me that someone else had filed my tax information and stole my money. I had to sign a paper to the IRS claiming I was not the one who got my tax refund. Took me 6 months to get my refund money! I was pissed off for about a day when it first happened, but calmed down a little when I realized that I was not destitute for money and was getting paid in a few days anyways, but I am still upset to this day. Not lividly pissed off like I was the day I got the phone call, but I am still calmly mad about it.) I get that they want to make sure that 14 year old Tommy didn't steal his 35 year old Dad's card and gamble with it online, but there is nothing stopping a smart 14 year old from sending a copy of his Dad's ID and pretending to be him without them seeing his Dad face to face like Skype.

The giant disadvantage is you can never realm leave because you're just a click away from being back. Plus you can click your life away in one night. I think that is too powerful. Casinos are always more fun and exciting than where you live.

My nephew and my GF's little brother were playing small limit poker at 13 and 14 online at Bovada and a few other sites. They both won a little bit and moved on to other things like girl's

Now in their 2O's they have good jobs families and don't have any gambling problems. They both like to gamble occasionally but no more or less than the average American male.

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The giant disadvantage is you can never realm leave because you're just a click away from being back. Plus you can click your life away in one night. I think that is too powerful. Casinos are always more fun and exciting than where you live.

Very true. The money is so abstract and the venue so accessible that you can find yourself making stupidly large wagers deep into the night while tanked up on JD.
Been there, got the t-shirt.
Also, even the casinos with solid reputations can still rip you off if they invoke their universal "If we decide you are not playing in good faith, we can close your account and retain the balance" Got that t-shirt too.

Quote: AxelWolf

My nephew and my GF's little brother were playing small limit poker at 13 and 14 online at Bovada and a few other sites. They both won a little bit and moved on to other things like girl's

Now in their 2O's they have good jobs families and don't have any gambling problems. They both like to gamble occasionally but no more or less than the average American male.

Axel,

Your example of confirmed family and friend members falling perfectly into the American dream after starting to gamble ONLINE at the early illegal age of 13 appears to be suspect to me. Especially after these kids had a winning first time experience gambling at an age certainly uninformed about the actual facts of life, and yet how they eventually pulled the winning plug out of the drain and moved onto a more serious life. Most adolescent kids if they made $50.00 would try to make $100.00 and on and on until great success or ruin.

Instead of setting a more mature example at that time for the kids (8 yrs. shy of legal gambling age) your demonstration of being a good uncle and friend also comes into question. Did you help with them to cash out their winnings? Did you provide beer while they were gambling?

Regardless of the important point I’m making above, you just always seem to have the perfect example or story that will always fit into any condition or narrative when it comes to gambling. No matter what negative points are brought up about gambling you always have a counter to the positive. I’m not talking about negative bad AP plays which of course you already would have been aware of and knew about, I’m talking about everything else about gambling. It’s like your always trying to justify you chosen life style of hustling.

One last question or two or three or four if you don’t mind. When you knew the children were playing poker ONLINE why didn’t you jump in and teach them how to AP? Wasn’t that the time millions were being made online AP’ing? Why didn’t you take them under your wings and show them all the money they could’ve and should’ve made?

Did you make millions ONLINE when the ONLINE dream existed for AP’s, and if not why not? I read somewhere that the money to buy this site and others by the new owners was made AP’ing BlackJack online. Do you think that was a rumor started just to promote online gambling?

Disadvantages

You can be cheated in the course of play, and you would never know it.
Colluders, or one person playing multiple spots, can exploit you, and you would never know it.
A collection of poker pros could use their combined knowledge to scam thousands of people out of millions of dollars (but gee, that would NEVER happen).
The website can vanish like a fart on the wind, along with your money, and you would have no recourse whatsoever.
The site's location is in some overseas location that you often can't even discern, and it's usually someplace like the People's Mango Republic.
The site could hack your personal information and resell it. Your personal financial information will be protected by all the safeguards written into the laws of the People's Mango Republic.

I recommend that instead, you sign up for my Blackjack by Phone casino. 100 percent guaranteed kinda honest-like.

There's no need to socialize. You're just there by yourself. Socializing is healthy. People who are glued to their smartphones all day long whose eyes never rise to meet others have lost something and they don't even know it. And yes, the loss of and lack of trust with an online entity is significant.

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There's no need to socialize. You're just there by yourself. Socializing is healthy. People who are glued to their smartphones all day long whose eyes never rise to meet others have lost something and they don't even know it. And yes, the loss of and lack of trust with an online entity is significant.

+10

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Also, even the casinos with solid reputations can still rip you off if they invoke their universal "If we decide you are not playing in good faith, we can close your account and retain the balance" Got that t-shirt too.

Casinomeister is pretty good about helping, and he does have an accredited list.

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Axel,

Your example of confirmed family and friend members falling perfectly into the American dream after starting to gamble ONLINE at the early illegal age of 13 appears to be suspect to me. Especially after these kids had a winning first time experience gambling at an age certainly uninformed about the actual facts of life, and yet how they eventually pulled the winning plug out of the drain and moved onto a more serious life. Most adolescent kids if they made $50.00 would try to make $100.00 and on and on until great success or ruin.

Instead of setting a more mature example at that time for the kids (8 yrs. shy of legal gambling age) your demonstration of being a good uncle and friend also comes into question. Did you help with them to cash out their winnings? Did you provide beer while they were gambling?

Regardless of the important point I’m making above, you just always seem to have the perfect example or story that will always fit into any condition or narrative when it comes to gambling. No matter what negative points are brought up about gambling you always have a counter to the positive. I’m not talking about negative bad AP plays which of course you already would have been aware of and knew about, I’m talking about everything else about gambling. It’s like your always trying to justify you chosen life style of hustling.

One last question or two or three or four if you don’t mind. When you knew the children were playing poker ONLINE why didn’t you jump in and teach them how to AP? Wasn’t that the time millions were being made online AP’ing? Why didn’t you take them under your wings and show them all the money they could’ve and should’ve made?

Did you make millions ONLINE when the ONLINE dream existed for AP’s, and if not why not? I read somewhere that the money to buy this site and others by the new owners was made AP’ing BlackJack online. Do you think that was a rumor started just to promote online gambling?

If you question my story, my Nephew and his girl are actually in LV now on a mini Vacation visiting his in laws and their newborn. If it's important to you I can have him confirm that story I told with one or more WOV members.

Since he was not 21 at the time it would be difficult to learn or exploit AP. And since didn't live in Vegas it would be difficult for him to learn. He's successful working in the oil business and was making 100k + a year since he was 18. He actually has taken advantage of a few LV promotions during his trips to Vegas. This time he wanted to do the loss rebate at Plaza. I don't know if he did because unfortunately I was heading out of LV a few hours after he arrived.I Had just enough time to hook him up with rooms from someone, and hang out as I played a promo. He plays his local cash poker games and tournaments on some weekends and seems to be moderately ahead. He's taken advantage of his local small limit BJ games where dealers are sloppy as hell.

I didn't help him cash out his online poker accounts, his parents did that as it was their accounts he used. I did give him advice playing $20 heads up turbos. It's not like he was depositing thousands and feverishly clicking away 24/7. I wouldn't need to buy him beer since I think the legal drinking age in ND is 13 ....If you get what im saying? Personally I think kids should be exposed to gambling at a young age and learn the odds and know what's good/better to play and what's terrible to play.



As far as online gambling goes I was not willing to invest large amounts of money online like some people did. I deposited and played amounts I felt comfortable with and I did just fine. I was fairly picky what casinos I played at. People who made millions had a network and did lots of multiaccounting. I have already said before that it was a mistake not going for it big without reservations, however I could say that about lots of stuff like not investing more or at all in things like Bitcoin, gold, Facebook, google or microsoft. Also if I was solely doing that I would've missed out on other things.


I understood there was a significant amount of money to be made with online affiliate programs, I dabbled in it a bit, however I didn't understand or know what it took to get traffic. It's hard to do multiple things at once, I concentrated on what I knew how to do and my social life.

As fas as specific numbers go I would never discuss such things especially with a stranger online. It wouldn't matter anyways, I could just lie and inflate stuff, as many people do online. There's always someone more successful, better car, bigger house, smarter, better looking, more fit, happier, with a hotter girl/guy or cooler than you or the next guy.

Quote: bobbartop

Casinomeister is pretty good about helping, and he does have an accredited list.

*Rolls eyes @ Casinomeister.

Quote: AxelWolf

If you question my story

Personally, I think your imagination and slickness is second to none. Was waiting to see how you were going to turn my negative post into a positive. Good job.

Quote: blackhole

Personally, I think your imagination and slickness is second to none. Was waiting to see how you were going to turn my negative post into a positive. Good job.

I find your response pretty insulting. You're barely in bounds at the moment, and I may reconsider.

There are people who don't need to lie, because the truth is fantastic enough. In my experience, Axel is one of those people. He lives a big, outrageous life, and talks openly about much of it.

There is more than a bit of what he told you above I can vouch for, though I've only known him a couple of years. The rest he has no reason to lie about.

I grew up gambling as well, playing bj for money from age 6, and poker for money from age 8 or 9. Not regularly, not as a job, but yeah, we didn't play for matchsticks either. If we'd had Internet gambling, I don't doubt we'd have done it.

I still managed to have a normal.life with a career, a marriage, owning houses and cars, not throwing my money away on gambling. What's so hard to believe about that?

If you have other things you want for your money besides games of chance, you don't play for significant amounts of money. If you're addicted, you bet the rent, borrow beyond your means, whatever it takes. I don't personally know anyone like that, or at least know that about them. But it takes more than early exposure to gambling to make a person an addict.

You know, I changed my mind about the convenience of online gambling. They would be better off while being at the oversaturated tight local casinos gambling online on their phones. An extreme theoretical disadvantage is better avoided than a hypothetical risk of total meltdown. People can make choices to slow down the ease of a complete liquidation of live savings. There are just as many conartist games in the casino as hidden deceptions online.

I couldn't help but feel bad for some young ploppy(around very early 20's) who just started to gamble online days prior against an older and way more experienced AP who had been gambling for many years. That was bad enough, but what made it worse the AP pretended to "help" him "win" money, when really he was purposely giving the ploppy horrible, losing tips and taking his money. The young ploppy felt rightfully gipped, and had no idea that he was playing against his "helper" until it was way too late.

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I find your response pretty insulting. You're barely in bounds at the moment, and I may reconsider.

There are people who don't need to lie, because the truth is fantastic enough. In my experience, Axel is one of those people. He lives a big, outrageous life, and talks openly about much of it.

There is more than a bit of what he told you above I can vouch for, though I've only known him a couple of years. The rest he has no reason to lie about.

I grew up gambling as well, playing bj for money from age 6, and poker for money from age 8 or 9. Not regularly, not as a job, but yeah, we didn't play for matchsticks either. If we'd had Internet gambling, I don't doubt we'd have done it.

I still managed to have a normal.life with a career, a marriage, owning houses and cars, not throwing my money away on gambling. What's so hard to believe about that?

If you have other things you want for your money besides games of chance, you don't play for significant amounts of money. If you're addicted, you bet the rent, borrow beyond your means, whatever it takes. I don't personally know anyone like that, or at least know that about them. But it takes more than early exposure to gambling to make a person an addict.

Not sure why you found my post insulting. I simply doubted the authenticity of what was said. After all this is the internet. Besides, you already banned me for what you considered to be insulting, never giving me the opportunity to debate that opinion with you.

I never insinuated that if you learned about gambling at an early age you would become an addict. I only was questioning the adult supervision and what most would consider abnormal for that age when it came to gambling for real money.

I also find it odd that what Axel said was over a decade ago, and you can vouch for much of it, yet, only knowing him a couple years. I’m not insulting you now, just questioning what I’m reading.

Please don’t find this insulting, but I’m 64 years old and have been around the block. I’m happy you live a normal life, but certainly don’t need to be lectured about it or the pros and cons of gambling at my age.

Gambling problems can take decades to surface. It's a known fact getting addicted to horse betting takes 20 years. It's the emotions when life shakes people that often does it. Some kids will be ok, but some get bitten. His family sounds like they'll be ok, but it depends if life gives them some drama and trauma.

Quote: AxelWolf

*Rolls eyes @ Casinomeister.

Oh really? That surprises me, Axel. I thought he was pretty good. He seemed of very high integrity and in the beginning it looked like he really worked hard to help players out and shape the industry. Maybe he got overloaded. Anyway, I certainly respect YOUR opinion so there must be something to what you're saying. I'm curious, but it's a long time ago and if you don't want to elaborate I won't bother you about it. I just was very surprised at your comment.

He helped me a couple times but I really didn't need much help because I stayed with the more reputable guys.

Hey Axel, do you remember Goodfellas Casino, it was a Microgaming that quickly stiffed everyone? I just thought of that as I was typing. Kinda funny, a casino names itself "Goodfellas" and you expect it to not be a bunch of crooks. lol

I had one particular casino on Real Time Gaming and they really gave me the runaround, and were just as nasty as they could be when dealing with me. They really jerked me around, the jerks. It was about an $800 cashout and I had finally just written it off. Then one day, months later, just before Christmas, I get a certified letter and it was a check for the $800. Well, surprise and Merry Christmas, ho ho ho. The a-holes.

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Gambling problems can take decades to surface. It's a known fact getting addicted to horse betting takes 20 years. It's the emotions when life shakes people that often does it. Some kids will be ok, but some get bitten. His family sounds like they'll be ok, but it depends if life gives them some drama and trauma.

I believe gambling is similar to alcohol in that 1% or 2% of people will develop a problem and the rest are social drinkers only. Prohibition was tried and it was a disaster. I wouldn't want someone telling me I can't have a beer while I'm watching an NFL game and neither would most other people. I wouldn't want someone to tell me I couldn't bet on the game either. I feel bad for the 1% or 2% who develop a problem but they shouldn't dictate what the other 98% can or can't do. I don't object to taxes being levied to help those who need help. Probably 1% or 2% of those who buy a Mustang or Camaro will drive recklessly and crack up. These are cars that can do 180 m.p.h. But the vast majority of those who drive them aren't reckless and those types of cars shouldn't be regulated out of the marketplace.

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Oh really? That surprises me, Axel. I thought he was pretty good. He seemed of very high integrity and in the beginning it looked like he really worked hard to help players out and shape the industry. Maybe he got overloaded. Anyway, I certainly respect YOUR opinion so there must be something to what you're saying. I'm curious, but it's a long time ago and if you don't want to elaborate I won't bother you about it. I just was very surprised at your comment.

He helped me a couple times but I really didn't need much help because I stayed with the more reputable guys.

Hey Axel, do you remember Goodfellas Casino, it was a Microgaming that quickly stiffed everyone? I just thought of that as I was typing. Kinda funny, a casino names itself "Goodfellas" and you expect it to not be a bunch of crooks. lol

I had one particular casino on Real Time Gaming and they really gave me the runaround, and were just as nasty as they could be when dealing with me. They really jerked me around, the jerks. It was about an $800 cashout and I had finally just written it off. Then one day, months later, just before Christmas, I get a certified letter and it was a check for the $800. Well, surprise and Merry Christmas, ho ho ho. The a-holes.

I don't know him personally, but I have been flowing that site on and off for years. IMO it's all about the money. I'm sure he has helped many people get back their money, but that's just part of the game, it's all self serving, their not doing it because it's the right thing to do. I think they protect their bread and butter oftentimes only complete rip off joints get blacklisted.

Perhaps research 4ofakind (I think that's his name.) He's had some interesting things to say.

Batman said it best IMO. "Casinomeister is accurate and conclusive when it comes to negative casinos (Rogue list), however, he is quite corrupt when comes to accredited casinos. The way he defends iNetbet (very sketchy/predatory casino) is insane, including closing threads, banning members, and just general power abuse as admin when it comes to any iNetbet complaint thread (And there's plenty of those threads due to iNetbet constantly confiscating players). As I've seen, such corruption also applies to lesser extents to Deck media, Club world, Fortune Lounge etc. Overall, I use casinomeister to gain information on which casinos are bad, not which ones are good."

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I don't know him personally, but I have been flowing that site on and off for years. IMO it's all about the money. I'm sure he has helped many people get back their money, but that's just part of the game, it's all self serving, their not doing it because it's the right thing to do. I think they protect their bread and butter oftentimes only complete rip off joints get blacklisted.

Perhaps research 4ofakind (I think that's his name.) He's had some interesting things to say.

Batman said it best IMO. "Casinomeister is accurate and conclusive when it comes to negative casinos (Rogue list), however, he is quite corrupt when comes to accredited casinos. The way he defends iNetbet (very sketchy/predatory casino) is insane, including closing threads, banning members, and just general power abuse as admin when it comes to any iNetbet complaint thread (And there's plenty of those threads due to iNetbet constantly confiscating players). As I've seen, such corruption also applies to lesser extents to Deck media, Club world, Fortune Lounge etc. Overall, I use casinomeister to gain information on which casinos are bad, not which ones are good."

Well, yeah, it's all about money. It's all about affiliates. But I thought he was ok. I know he parted ways with Playtech over something in their philosophy that wasn't right with him. That had to cost him. It seemed simpler when I first started following him. I enjoyed the weekly webcasts. Maybe he changed. Definitely casinos changed, and their providers changed. I could fill a couple pages with casinos that started out A+ and turned to total rogues. So how does that happen? lol

I had a pleasant experience with INetBet. Took a welcome bonus and played Pick'em, hit a straight flush and got lucky beyond that. Cashed out. They offered me another good match bonus if I would reverse the cashout and try again. I thanked them but declined their offer and said I'd rather take the win. They sent me the money immediately. :-) And then locked me out. lol No hard feelings, here's your money, now GTF outta here and don't come back. And thanks for playing.

Overall I was pretty lucky and got paid most of the time. But geez, how could you not win money when they were THROWING it at you? It was the wild west in the beginning, huge bonuses, low wagering requirements, the casinos simply didn't know what they were up against. In my case anyway. I made a few mistakes, but I assure you, I learn fast. I was like a kid in a candy store.

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Well, yeah, it's all about money. It's all about affiliates. But I thought he was ok. I know he parted ways with Playtech over something in their philosophy that wasn't right with him. That had to cost him. It seemed simpler when I first started following him. I enjoyed the weekly webcasts. Maybe he changed. Definitely casinos changed, and their providers changed. I could fill a couple pages with casinos that started out A+ and turned to total rogues. So how does that happen? lol

I had a pleasant experience with INetBet. Took a welcome bonus and played Pick'em, hit a straight flush and got lucky beyond that. Cashed out. They offered me another good match bonus if I would reverse the cashout and try again. I thanked them but declined their offer and said I'd rather take the win. They sent me the money immediately. :-) And then locked me out. lol No hard feelings, here's your money, now GTF outta here and don't come back. And thanks for playing.

Overall I was pretty lucky and got paid most of the time. But geez, how could you not win money when they were THROWING it at you? It was the wild west in the beginning, huge bonuses, low wagering requirements, the casinos simply didn't know what they were up against. In my case anyway. I made a few mistakes, but I assure you, I learn fast. I was like a kid in a candy store.

Ya like I said before I wish I would've went balls to the wall online I was cautious rarely depositing more than 1k mostly $100 to $500.

I found a good situation a few years back that lasted a while, you would be shocked, it was very clever if I must say so myself. One of them things i'd like to share but I will not talk about it except to my closest friends. It was definitely fun and it's great when you can do it anywhere. Sometimes I actually took my tablet with me and played it while on a casino play or while playing poker.

Maybe try relaypoker

" It's a known fact getting addicted to horse betting takes 20 years. "

Nothing personal, but my opinion of "fact" and your's vary greatly.

I just don't believe that online casino's are fair. Especially ones outside of the US. In my very limited experience, I have always lost. Not a scientific study or anything, just $100 or $200 here or there. I don't think I've ever seen any upswing. I recently found an online casino that seemed a little sketchy. They took bitcoin and I had $50 in bitcoin so I put it in. I found a game that I believed would be about a 3% edge off the top just flat betting. I tried it in practice mode and played about 1500 hands. It worked almost perfectly. I was up about 50 units. Then I put it in real mode and played about 2000 hands. At first it was mostly flat, then it went down about 20 units and kind of stayed there. Not a long enough sample size but pretty suspect. That took about 2 days to complete. Then I went to the site and it wasn't loading. I thought maybe it was down or something. The next day the same thing. I tried from my phone and got the same error message. Then I turned wifi off on my phone so it would connect to a different ip address. Immediately the site came up. I played a little and it worked fine. Then I logged back on my computer and it still was't working. Then I started playing a different game from my phone with a different strategy. Then the next day miraculously I wasn't able to click on that game but was on the others. Pretty suspect.

You can fundamentally trust a land casino. They don't need to cheat. Players play so bad that they hold plenty. As a private place of business they have the right to tell you to leave or restrict your playing but that's a little bit more respectable and takes a little more work than just blocking someone's ip address.

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" It's a known fact getting addicted to horse betting takes 20 years. "

Nothing personal, but my opinion of "fact" and your's vary greatly.

It's a known fact that the sun is green.
It's a known fact that Oreo cookies are bad for you, since everyone who eats them dies.
And as all right-thinking persons know, Obama is a space alien from the planet Zeebulon.

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I just don't believe that online casino's are fair. Especially ones outside of the US. In my very limited experience, I have always lost. Not a scientific study or anything, just $100 or $200 here or there. I don't think I've ever seen any upswing. I recently found an online casino that seemed a little sketchy. They took bitcoin and I had $50 in bitcoin so I put it in. I found a game that I believed would be about a 3% edge off the top just flat betting. I tried it in practice mode and played about 1500 hands. It worked almost perfectly. I was up about 50 units. Then I put it in real mode and played about 2000 hands. At first it was mostly flat, then it went down about 20 units and kind of stayed there. Not a long enough sample size but pretty suspect. That took about 2 days to complete. Then I went to the site and it wasn't loading. I thought maybe it was down or something. The next day the same thing. I tried from my phone and got the same error message. Then I turned wifi off on my phone so it would connect to a different ip address. Immediately the site came up. I played a little and it worked fine. Then I logged back on my computer and it still was't working. Then I started playing a different game from my phone with a different strategy. Then the next day miraculously I wasn't able to click on that game but was on the others. Pretty suspect.

You can fundamentally trust a land casino. They don't need to cheat. Players play so bad that they hold plenty. As a private place of business they have the right to tell you to leave or restrict your playing but that's a little bit more respectable and takes a little more work than just blocking someone's ip address.

You left out the most important part....what online casino? 3 % off the top? I think you have made a mistake.

If you live in a state that has licensed online gambling affiliated with one of their casinos, play on those sites. I've done very well playing on their sites and they tend to have very good deposit promos. I would steer clear of offshore casinos.

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If you live in a state that has licensed online gambling affiliated with one of their casinos, play on those sites. I've done very well playing on their sites and they tend to have very good deposit promos. I would steer clear of offshore casinos.

Licensed online casino's have very good deposit bonuses? Can you elaborate ? I have yet to hear of a really good licensed online casino bonus, just the opposite in fact. Perhaps things are changing I would like to hear the details.

No reason to steer clear of offshore casinos if you know what you doing and do your homework and be more careful. Sometimes the risk is well worth the reward.

Quote: AxelWolf

You left out the most important part....what online casino? 3 % off the top? I think you have made a mistake.

Sorry I'm still new to this site and haven't quite pin pointed everybody's standings and opinions on things but aren't you the one always complaining about people revealing too much info via books and public info? It ruins people's livelihoods doesn't it?

Quote: Sandybestdog

Sorry I'm still new to this site and haven't quite pin pointed everybody's standings and opinions on things but aren't you the one always complaining about people revealing too much info via books and public info? It ruins people's livelihoods doesn't it?

He doesn't have to say.

I can figure it out myself, there are not to many licenced online casino's, but I don't think he's correct, in saying there's very lucrative bonuses. I guess very lucrative is subjective. Somome might think $100 a month in EV in very lucrative.

I think we can probably figure out all the licensed casino's and their bonuses and then go from there. If anyone is in a state that has a licensed casino available and they just want to check the bonuses let me know I would be willing to pay for the information.

Quote: SAMIAM

" It's a known fact getting addicted to horse betting takes 20 years. "

Nothing personal, but my opinion of "fact" and your's vary greatly.

Go to a horse track or racino and you'll notice the youngest are in their forties. Horse racing is just that slow and stupid, it takes time and a little dementia to want to bet on it regularly.

Quote: onenickelmiracle

Go to a horse track or racino and you'll notice the youngest are in their forties. Horse racing is just that slow and stupid, it takes time and a little dementia to want to bet on it regularly.

I can understand your point, but I also have a different take on it. First of all, most players lose. Casual players certainly lose. When I lived near the track I had an entirely different routine than the average player who buys the Form, grabs a beer and hot dog, and starts looking for a selection.

Here's my routine. And it requires a lot of walking. Most tracks you can position yourself to see the horses walking in from their stalls. With the help of binoculars this is where you want to spot horses that have no interest in anything around them. Walking with their head down, dragging their feet, no energy at all. Make a note in your program. At the same time, you might see one that is full of energy, up on his toes and in a full dance. Then I have to run over to where they come onto the grounds towards the paddock or walking ring. I do the same thing there, take notes as they continue to meet their crew. I take notes on their appearance, and then notes on how they behave in the walking ring, how they react when the jockey gets on board, and then I race out to the track or follow them through the tunnel and watch the post parade. Always taking notes. Watch their warm-up, take notes. If I make a bet, it's usually by phone, I don't have time to mess around in line. This takes two people, but I want to see how they come out of the race, the winner and the also-rans. At this same time, the horses for the next race are coming down the hill from their stalls. I can't be in two places at once. Rinse, and repeat.

So my point is, if you're into horse racing and want to beat the game, there is no time to get bored. I agree, the crowd is older, and the sport is in trouble. But myself, personally, my day at the track is never slow. I won't comment on the "dementia" part, though.

Quote: bobbartop

I can understand your point, but I also have a different take on it. First of all, most players lose. Casual players certainly lose. When I lived near the track I had an entirely different routine than the average player who buys the Form, grabs a beer and hot dog, and starts looking for a selection.

Here's my routine. And it requires a lot of walking. Most tracks you can position yourself to see the horses walking in from their stalls. With the help of binoculars this is where you want to spot horses that have no interest in anything around them. Walking with their head down, dragging their feet, no energy at all. Make a note in your program. At the same time, you might see one that is full of energy, up on his toes and in a full dance. Then I have to run over to where they come onto the grounds towards the paddock or walking ring. I do the same thing there, take notes as they continue to meet their crew. I take notes on their appearance, and then notes on how they behave in the walking ring, how they react when the jockey gets on board, and then I race out to the track or follow them through the tunnel and watch the post parade. Always taking notes. Watch their warm-up, take notes. If I make a bet, it's usually by phone, I don't have time to mess around in line. This takes two people, but I want to see how they come out of the race, the winner and the also-rans. At this same time, the horses for the next race are coming down the hill from their stalls. I can't be in two places at once. Rinse, and repeat.

So my point is, if you're into horse racing and want to beat the game, there is no time to get bored. I agree, the crowd is older, and the sport is in trouble. But myself, personally, my day at the track is never slow. I won't comment on the "dementia" part, though.

Sounds interesting. If I was going to go bet horses without knowing anything I would definitely want to go with you( sounds like a fun way to handicap )

I can see how there might possibly be something to that(I have little knowledgeable about horses this could be like dice influence, sounds like there's something to it if you don't really investigate).Certainly sounds better than the guys thinking they can somehow get an advantage sitting in the book doing whatever they do.

What's your overall results?

Quote: AxelWolf

Sounds interesting. If I was going to go bet horses without knowing anything I would definitely want to go with you( sounds like a fun way to handicap )

I can see how there might possibly be something to that(I have little knowledgeable about horses this could be like dice influence, sounds like there's something to it if you don't really investigate).Certainly sounds better than the guys thinking they can somehow get an advantage sitting in the book doing whatever they do.

What's your overall results?

It's still a very difficult game. I learned physicality handicapping in the early 90s. Until then I had always been a loser. It still took me three years of study and practice to start winning. Physicality handicapping is not a total strategy in itself, think of it more as an added handicapping factor to supplement your overall methodology, whatever that may be. Horses are living breathing beings, not just a set of figures in the racing form. Finding a strong favorite going at low odds that does not FEEL his best today can mean saving a big bet. The Racing Form doesn't know he woke up on the wrong side of his straw today. But if he doesn't want to warm-up like he usually does, or his color is off, or his ears are pinned, something is bothering him. Save a bet.

There is an excellent video called Beat The Beam for players who can't make it to the track. But being at the track is always better. And having plenty of time to do nothing else but get to know your local players is pretty valuable too. It's like a big poker game. Instead of nine players sitting around a table, it's more like hundreds of players, and they're all trying to hide their cards.

Quote: AxelWolf

He doesn't have to say.

I can figure it out myself, there are not to many licenced online casino's, but I don't think he's correct, in saying there's very lucrative bonuses. I guess very lucrative is subjective. Somome might think $100 a month in EV in very lucrative.

I think we can probably figure out all the licensed casino's and their bonuses and then go from there. If anyone is in a state that has a licensed casino available and they just want to check the bonuses let me know I would be willing to pay for the information.

It's not a promotion. It's a straight up positive game flat betting. Not sure why you're being so self righteous about this. I would tell you what it is in a pm. It's really dumb actually. Maybe I am wrong and am totally missing something. I took a wild guess at the edge and was off a little. It's still positive though. But none of that matters since this casino will block your ip address and restrict your betting. Which is exactly why I don't trust online casinos and would never put more than $100 in one.

Quote: Sandybestdog

It's not a promotion. It's a straight up positive game flat betting. Not sure why you're being so self righteous about this. I would tell you what it is in a pm. It's really dumb actually. Maybe I am wrong and am totally missing something. I took a wild guess at the edge and was off a little. It's still positive though. But none of that matters since this casino will block your ip address and restrict your betting. Which is exactly why I don't trust online casinos and would never put more than $100 in one.

Perhaps I/we got 2 different posts Mixed up. Sorry if that's the case. I dont think I was talking about the BJ. Somome said that licensed casinos have very good bonuses and people should only play at licensed casino's. That's what I disagree with.

No you probably shouldn't say to much if you really did find a super good bonus online.
Each play and casino online should be treated separately and diffrently, and as always, proceed with caution. I have yet to hear about a really good online casino bonus on a licensed online casino in the USA. Obviously other countries might/probably have them.

Yes you may have found a game that's positive off the top I wouldn't dispute that, but if they are reputable I would redo the math. No I wouldn't totally trust a casino that had something like that. I would toss $500 to 1k at it and go from there.

Remember Mission2games? I highly doubt that casino was not rigged. It was obvious they had many problems and glitches for a long time and they had to be holding way about the amounts they should have yet they didn't care and only after this site got involved did anything change yet people had complained even before that.

Agian I apologize for the miss understanding. I didn't think it would be a big deal to say say the name of an online casino that's blocking IP's I was asking about the supposed very good online bonus because I was skeptical about that.

Spent thousands of hours in casinos, but never done any online gambling.

I learned my lesson with cigarettes. If you don't start something you never miss it.**

Likewise, I enjoy stuff in the fridge. Don't need to put the fridge next to the bed though just to make it easier to reach.


**not totally true, but true enough to be useful the majority of the time.

Quote: AxelWolf

Licensed online casino's have very good deposit bonuses? Can you elaborate ? I have yet to hear of a really good licensed online casino bonus, just the opposite in fact. Perhaps things are changing I would like to hear the details.

No reason to steer clear of offshore casinos if you know what you doing and do your homework and be more careful. Sometimes the risk is well worth the reward.

Ok. Let me clarify about offshore casinos, when I say steer clear I am talking about a lot of shady sites that exist out there where you will have difficulties just withdrawing your money. (Never getting it in, they make sure of that.) On the flip side, I've been betting online with the same offshore sportsbook since 1997, I also been playing poker online with offshore places since 2002. So I am not adverse to playing offshore, I just don't know a whole lot of offshore casino sites that offer good casino bonuses that are easy to clear and cash out. If you want to sportsbet or play poker there certainly are a few sites that are good an reputable for US players, you just have to do your homework to quote you.

As for licensed online US casinos, there are plenty that offer good deposit bonuses that are easy to clear for +ev. You are not going to make a fortune, but you can certainly pick up anywhere from $500-1000+ each month if you are near or in a state like NJ that has licensed online casinos. (More the first time around as they offer large first time deposit bonuses.) You just have to do the math on the play through requirement and the return on the games offered. Blackjack is easy obviously but boring. The slot games offered online at the sites in NJ range from 92%-96% for example with one game I know of returning 97.2% theoretically. (Based on my experience, these are fairly accurate numbers.)

As a courtesy, I'll throw in that if anyone decides to sign up with for a new account, after creating the account and receiving your $20 free, do not deposit the $100 match right away, wait for an e-mail that will offer you up to $600 in bonus match on your first 3 deposits. (Plus, their play though requirement is only 1x - but limited to slots only - no table games - still you can expect a pretty generous return.)

Quote: EricStoner

Ok. Let me clarify about offshore casinos, when I say steer clear I am talking about a lot of shady sites that exist out there where you will have difficulties just withdrawing your money. (Never getting it in, they make sure of that.) On the flip side, I've been betting online with the same offshore sportsbook since 1997, I also been playing poker online with offshore places since 2002. So I am not adverse to playing offshore, I just don't know a whole lot of offshore casino sites that offer good casino bonuses that are easy to clear and cash out. If you want to sportsbet or play poker there certainly are a few sites that are good an reputable for US players, you just have to do your homework to quote you.

As for licensed online US casinos, there are plenty that offer good deposit bonuses that are easy to clear for +ev. You are not going to make a fortune, but you can certainly pick up anywhere from $500-1000+ each month if you are near or in a state like NJ that has licensed online casinos. (More the first time around as they offer large first time deposit bonuses.) You just have to do the math on the play through requirement and the return on the games offered. Blackjack is easy obviously but boring. The slot games offered online at the sites in NJ range from 92%-96% for example with one game I know of returning 97.2% theoretically. (Based on my experience, these are fairly accurate numbers.)

As a courtesy, I'll throw in that if anyone decides to sign up with for a new account, after creating the account and receiving your $20 free, do not deposit the $100 match right away, wait for an e-mail that will offer you up to $600 in bonus match on your first 3 deposits. (Plus, their play though requirement is only 1x - but limited to slots only - no table games - still you can expect a pretty generous return.)

I was hoping the very good as in 3k++.

But $600 on slots 1 time WR must be a good % ev. If you're there but I'm not. Hopefully you and your Wife/GF/BF or whomever is doing it.

Can you tell us about the verification process and getting an account cashing out etc etc.

Disadvantages

Its not legal in USA
your opponents could be anyone...

Advantages
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Quote: Maruelephate

Disadvantages

Its not legal in USA
your opponents could be anyone...

Misconception, there are several jurisdictions, some in which there is no regulated online gambling, where playing is patently legal. For an individual to be a mere player (with exception to illegal sports betting) is not a violation of any Federal law. There are some states in which it is illegal to act as a mere player in any form of gambling not specifically legalized and regulated, but there does not seem to be a record of any prosecutions of mere players.

The biggest disadvantage I feel is not being able to immediately have the money in your bank or pocket. It's like waiting for the Mayflower.