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July 1st, 2013 at 4:28:10 PM permalink
Quote: 4ofaKind

I officially retire from all of this nonsense, since I realize the only hope I have of once again enjoying online gaming is to wait for the USA. Hope I live long enough to find out being 60 years old already.

Later



I guess I'm finally with ya on something pops, after all these years. Integration of online and regulated casinos is going to be a mess. I am out. I am disappointed you have held the line that Nevada or NJ would be something different in the first place or in the long run, but we are all entitled to our opinions. I'm mostly disappointed that you have never engaged me when I tell you how it really is going - I understand you may believe it is a self correcting thing - that once you have an American regulator looking at the online game you will get what you are looking for - but I simply do not see it. 888 gets the first live poker license, Gtech gets a bye in light of these allegations, Nevada and Amaya both bring on sullied names from Ultimate Bet, (however briefly in one instance), New Jersey drafts a check from a cabinet position to hire Malta LGA. I didn't mean to beat your argument into the dirt, I'm just saying it was a dream. All online elements are entrenched in the new "on land" online game. Would it have been different back when you said you weren't lobbying for regulation (oops ocr forum archived and null)? Maybe, but we are where we are and the current state, and foreseeable state of affairs was negotiated on and agreed to far before we started arguing about it. You saw the glass half full and maybe still see hope - I knew all along what this crapfest would become.

I too, retire from the idiocy.

Take care old man
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July 2nd, 2013 at 6:41:33 AM permalink
I somehow suspect you'll both be around for time to come.

I agree that the belief in "US regulation" as some kind of potential manna from heaven is highly misguided, and frankly plain naïve. If all the other governing bodies are as bent as each other - and we now have evidence from pretty much all of them - then why the US would be some kind of paragon of perfection is a mystery to me, other than I know many Americans are seriously patriotic and therefore maybe inclined to see their mechanisms through rose-tinted specs.
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July 2nd, 2013 at 8:26:33 AM permalink
Quote: Caruso

I somehow suspect you'll both be around for time to come.

I agree that the belief in "US regulation" as some kind of potential manna from heaven is highly misguided, and frankly plain naïve. If all the other governing bodies are as bent as each other - and we now have evidence from pretty much all of them - then why the US would be some kind of paragon of perfection is a mystery to me, other than I know many Americans are seriously patriotic and therefore maybe inclined to see their mechanisms through rose-tinted specs.



Additionally, I think people massively overstate the importance of the US market. In a few years it will become irrelevant. The money is in Asia. Macau eclipses Las Vegas already. Casino interests outside the US are very powerful-they don't need a seal of federal approval to make billions.
lojo
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July 12th, 2013 at 11:04:00 PM permalink
So down in history this one goes, huh? Caruso has the right angle - publish the facts for all to see for all time. He's been doing it for as long as I can remember and has archived dozens of things like this. I think it's important for people to remember that Eliot Jacobson ( I hope I spelled that right) was not just some guy who came along and said, "yeah me too" he started this thread. The Wizard might have jumped the gun a bit blacklisting Realistic but I guess we'll never know because the someone else is holding all the cards.

You know what stinks to high heaven though? It isn't the hubris of GTECH, it's the fact they got away with it. Like it's us and them and they hold the deck. That deck seems to include regulators and casino watch dogs. And what is more revolting is that big operators get to slide, take a bye, ignore the reality just because they can. It taints the whole ball of wax on land and online due to the games provider. That's not some emotional response to not seeing a fair conclusion, that is a reality check.

We have server based gaming on land, all over the place. We have incidences of GTECH delivering messed up games in Saratoga NY (not a red herring) and we have them not answering to players through regulators. We really can't look at the old beat cop in Gibraltar as some statistical anomaly - we can see it as the wave of the future though.

Look I'm not saying the games were crooked, it could have been a simple mistake. And I'm not saying that someone who answers directly to the Minister of Finance was compromised either, I'm saying it is way bigger than that. I'm saying that GTECH and SCIGAMES and any other number of super players including betfred, betfair, william hill, paddy power and any Playtech can do as they damn well please. And I'm saying that server based gaming is no different whether it comes into your living room, your hotel room or is delivered on the casino floor. The whole ball of wax was tainted when Nevada gave Gtech (spielo/lottomatica/finsoft/dynamite idea et al whatever) an online license. ka-put!

So where this is going? The "power" of existing online operators has affected the new online operations. Guess who didn't get a piece of that pie? Sheldon. (thanks for the 'Sands' pass Wizard) so he is all against online.

Anyway, I digress. Take the Danish approval of SkilonNet. What really happened? They got a PLATFORM approved, some games on it might have been TST or other RNG approved but they sure as heck didn't test the software did they? (See Wizard of Odds blacklist SON for bad double up game.) So they can dance along their merry way and change the most obvious cheating device known to a gambler whenever they damn well please (and it can happen on land folks). Yet, they hold one of the most prestigious licenses available for an online provider. Go figure. Same mess with UKGC, GRA, whatever and finsoft.

I guess that if anything good could come of this, it isn't that we depend on a regulator but on someone invested in their reputation and cash flow to tell us if stuff is wonky or right. So if Eliot J. has a way to compare RNG to actual game play (start small there are probably 10,000 games online now) and certify it, I would play there. Otherwise I'm throwing in the lucky penny and never looking back.
lojo
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July 25th, 2013 at 9:47:05 PM permalink
Well then, I guess this is historical and ended pretty much as every other documented case of bad games ends.
I have a better idea.
Put the world's largest game supplier on their knees or tell the them to get the hell out of the space.

The fact that my UK or British friends, acquaintances, or bully enemies don't seem capable of using the political process in public (nor legal) to show the level of collusion does kind of dishearten me. I gave it my all. I put my boots on the ground in Providence, I used every element of poetry i could conjure. I have met the enemy and I lost. But I'm not the loser - I fought.
lojo
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July 25th, 2013 at 9:51:41 PM permalink
fight
lojo
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July 25th, 2013 at 10:43:34 PM permalink
eff it, I won't walk on eggshells. ken burns does this one and Eliot could have tried harder.
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August 3rd, 2013 at 4:26:31 PM permalink
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August 5th, 2013 at 2:42:07 PM permalink
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lojo
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August 5th, 2013 at 2:54:29 PM permalink
The moral of the story is - it doesn't matter who or what was behind the game, it was really nothing ya know what matters is that the Minister of Finance has not made a public statement. This isn't Neo Games Legends of Terra, this is a poke with a pin. I understand i have not earned the respect tro ask the question but I have one of Elliot.

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