What player mistake bothers you the most?
For what it's worth, the first shooter used a hardways set, with the fours on top, and 6 and 1 on the ends. He tossed on an arc from the end, and the instant the dice went airborne, they pitched and rotated a few times before hitting the felt where they popped in every direction.
The second shooter, did not set.
Their $10 and $25 min. machines are 3:2, dealer hits soft 17, for a 50% higher HE of 0.65
The $3 machines are often empty, while most players are on the higher house edge $10 and $25 min. machines.
Quote: Tanko$3 min. Blackjack machine games at the local racino are 3:2, dealer stands on soft 17, for a HE of 0.43.
Their $10 and $25 min. machines are 3:2, dealer hits soft 17, for a 50% higher HE of 0.65
The $3 machines are often empty, while most players are on the higher house edge $10 and $25 min. machines.
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Many BJ players don't play machines. Table BJ is a social game, Machine BJ isn't. I've rarely seen BJ machines worth playing.
He mentioned he is a drug dealer. I think drug dealers gamble more than the avg person.
Quote: jjjooogggGuy kept getting angry when i would hit a7 against 10. I still remember which casino.
He mentioned he is a drug dealer. I think drug dealers gamble more than the avg person.
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most of the time it's players getting mad at people who make bad plays not other way.
Also people who don’t know you can put more than one ticket in the cash out kiosk at a time so they go up there with a line behind them & a stack of 20 vouchers & cash each one out one at a time.
For what it’s worth, a shooter’s set and arc are worthless and have no effect on the outcome of the game.Quote: TankoFor what it's worth, the first shooter used a hardways set, with the fours on top, and 6 and 1 on the ends. He tossed on an arc from the end, and the instant the dice went airborne, they pitched and rotated a few times before hitting the felt where they popped in every direction.
The second shooter, did not set.
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Quote: Ace2For what it’s worth, a shooter’s set and arc are worthless and have no effect on the outcome of the game.
CORRECT
Dice influencing does not work. That's actually in the Bible. Proverbs 16:33.
But for some it gives hope and adds a bit more entertainment to the game.
I included the description of his set and toss in case anyone was interested. It was his turn to get lucky. We've all seen random shooters roll just as long.
I only mentioned because it was the first time I saw a shooter walk away from a hot roll.
Very good find, thank you!Quote: TankoCORRECT
Dice influencing does not work. That's actually in the Bible. Proverbs 16:33.
A more literal version is "the lot is cast into the lap but ..."Quote: Proverbs 16:33, NLT versionWe may throw the dice, but the LORD determines how they fall.
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Quote:Promotion periods:
Monday September 10th, 2023, between 12:00am and 11:59pm
Monday September 17h, 2023, between 12:00am and 11:59pm
Monday September 24th, 2023, between 12:00am and 11:59pm
There is a typo in this copy, but also note that every one of these dates is a Sunday, not a Monday. I missed the promo day last week because I did not notice this error.
If I message with support to point out the error, it goes like this:
Me: Your promo copy is wrong, September 10th is a Monday.
Support: Please confirm your mother's maiden name and the last four digits of your SSN.
Of course, I have never succeeded in getting promo errors fixed.
Quote: Ace2The players that bother me the most are the ones that flip out when another player makes a basic strategy error. That error is just as likely to help other players as hurt them
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Amen to that. Also annoying, to me, are smokers who light up at a table of non-smokers who were there first.
I would like to state for the 31,416th time that bad players neither help nor hurt other players at the blackjack table.
I agree that the bad decisions of other players don't affect the EV on the current hand.Quote: WizardI would like to state for the 31,416th time that bad players neither help nor hurt other players at the blackjack table.
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I made a fateful decision while playing speed blackjack a few months ago, and I still remember it exactly. This was an online live dealer game. In speed blackjack, the dealer responds to each action in the order that the players click the action buttons. I was playing $500 a hand in the third and fourth seats. 3rd seat was dealt a 10-6, fourth seat was dealt 8-3, and the dealer had a 10 showing. For some reason, I clicked 'double down' on the 11 before I clicked the 'hit' button on the 16. The dealer dealt a 5 to the double-down hand and a 10 to the hard 16. If I had acted on the hands in the order in which they were dealt, I would have won $3000 even though the dealer made his hand. Instead, I won nothing. Ouch!
I have played hands many out of order before. Usually, I will stand, double, or split aces right away if I can. I save the drawing hands for later because I would rather complete a hand ASAP and not have to think about it again. With a drawing hand, there are often multiple actions required. I never tracked how many times I benefited from playing out of order, but missing out on $3000 got my attention. It is just human nature to notice the times a player decision went strongly against you, even if that player is you.
unfortunately, it’s happened to me at least 27,183 timesQuote: WizardQuote: Ace2The players that bother me the most are the ones that flip out when another player makes a basic strategy error. That error is just as likely to help other players as hurt them
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Amen to that. Also annoying, to me, are smokers who light up at a table of non-smokers who were there first.
I would like to state for the 31,416th time that bad players neither help nor hurt other players at the blackjack table.
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Quote: Wizard
Amen to that. Also annoying, to me, are smokers who light up at a table of non-smokers who were there first.
To be fair, just because you are not currently smoking doesn't mean you are a non-smoker.
Maybe non-smokers should wear these shirts to make it easier for us smokers to identify you. I would not light up next to somebody wearing this.
Another mistake that I find similarly perplexing is when players choose to hit a hard 16 or lower against a dealer's strong upcard, such as an Ace or a 10. This play goes against basic strategy, which advises standing on all 16s and lower against a dealer's Ace or 10.
Despite the fact that the dealer's upcard suggests they have a strong hand, the player is still likely to lose by hitting in this situation. Not only does the player risk busting, but even if they don't, they're unlikely to improve their hand enough to beat the dealer's probable strong hand.
What's even more surprising is when players make this mistake repeatedly, even after being shown the correct strategy and explained why it's wrong to hit in this situation. It's almost as if they're stubbornly refusing to accept the reality of the game and insisting on relying on intuition rather than logic.
So, it's important to remember that gambling, including blackjack, involves a certain level of luck and unpredictability. While basic strategy can help us make the best decisions given the odds, there's always room for error and unexpected outcomes. Perhaps the key is to remain patient, stay informed, and try not to get too attached to our expectations or biases while playing.
Quote: KimWoojin142Another mistake that I find similarly perplexing is when players choose to hit a hard 16 or lower against a dealer's strong upcard, such as an Ace or a 10. This play goes against basic strategy, which advises standing on all 16s and lower against a dealer's Ace or 10.
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Basic strategy does not advise that.
Surrender a hard 15 or 16 against a dealer 10 or Ace if the rules permit.
Hitting a hard 16 or lower, against a dealer 10 or Ace is most often the best play.
For example, hitting a two card hard 16 against a dealer 10 is the best play if you can't surrender.
Standing with a three card 16 against a dealer 10 is the best play.
It is not surprising that players reject your explanation, because your strategy is horribly wrong. Please give us a citation for a strategy chart that tells you to stand with 12-16 against Ten or Ace. I doubt you can. The dealer is unlikely to bust the hand, so any decent basic strategy tells you to draw to improve to a hand that might beat or tie the dealer rather than just stand and usually get beat. There are minor exceptions like splitting 8-8.Quote: KimWoojin142I agree that standing on soft 17 is a common mistake that can be quite confusing, especially when made by players who otherwise seem to have a good understanding of basic strategy.
Another mistake that I find similarly perplexing is when players choose to hit a hard 16 or lower against a dealer's strong upcard, such as an Ace or a 10. This play goes against basic strategy, which advises standing on all 16s and lower against a dealer's Ace or 10.
Despite the fact that the dealer's upcard suggests they have a strong hand, the player is still likely to lose by hitting in this situation. Not only does the player risk busting, but even if they don't, they're unlikely to improve their hand enough to beat the dealer's probable strong hand.
What's even more surprising is when players make this mistake repeatedly, even after being shown the correct strategy and explained why it's wrong to hit in this situation. It's almost as if they're stubbornly refusing to accept the reality of the game and insisting on relying on intuition rather than logic.
So, it's important to remember that gambling, including blackjack, involves a certain level of luck and unpredictability. While basic strategy can help us make the best decisions given the odds, there's always room for error and unexpected outcomes. Perhaps the key is to remain patient, stay informed, and try not to get too attached to our expectations or biases while playing.
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Quote: MentalIt is not surprising that players reject your explanation, because your strategy is horribly wrong. Please give us a citation for a strategy chart that tells you to stand with 12-16 against Ten or Ace. I doubt you can.
I can, but it's conditional.
If it's a single deck or double deck game, stand on a hard 16 against a 10.
Quote: ThatDonGuyQuote: MentalIt is not surprising that players reject your explanation, because your strategy is horribly wrong. Please give us a citation for a strategy chart that tells you to stand with 12-16 against Ten or Ace. I doubt you can.
I can, but it's conditional.
If it's a single deck or double deck game, stand on a hard 16 against a 10.
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If it’s 10-6? I thoughts if you see 4s and 5s then stand.
Quote: unJonQuote: ThatDonGuyQuote: MentalIt is not surprising that players reject your explanation, because your strategy is horribly wrong. Please give us a citation for a strategy chart that tells you to stand with 12-16 against Ten or Ace. I doubt you can.
I can, but it's conditional.
If it's a single deck or double deck game, stand on a hard 16 against a 10.
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If it’s 10-6? I thoughts if you see 4s and 5s then stand.
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That is how I play it, especially in SD or DD. I learned that from Fred Renzy twenty years ago.
Absolutely. Such posts have suddenly become common here. They are very well crafted, but absolutely AI generated.Quote: rawtuffChatGPT vibes are strong. Don't feed it.
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I don't expect the moderator team to deal with it very well, possibly because of a free speech policy that extends to chatbots.
Chatbot responses have certain characteristics but expect them to change and improve to evade the nuke.
Quote: OnceDearAbsolutely. Such posts have suddenly become common here. They are very well crafted, but absolutely AI generated.Quote: rawtuffChatGPT vibes are strong. Don't feed it.
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I don't expect the moderator team to deal with it very well, possibly because of a free speech policy that extends to chatbots.
Chatbot responses have certain characteristics but expect them to change and improve to evade the nuke.
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Last time I was at the craps table, some young dude came up and threw about 3k on the table to get chips. As the dealer is getting him chips and pushing them over, he goes "No I wanted all blacks." Everyone at the table chuckled and myself and another person spoke up "Are you sure? This is a $15 min table, why don't you start with greens?" He replied "Nah man I'm good, give me all black, black is my favorite color." Pretty damn sure by his demeanor later on that he was a dealer.Quote: jjjooogggGuy kept getting angry when i would hit a7 against 10. I still remember which casino.
He mentioned he is a drug dealer. I think drug dealers gamble more than the avg person.
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Quote: DieterTurning machine volume to maximum in hopes of improving the odds.
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Games I play at max volume: Ocean Majic, Golden Egypt. it's the music I like, especially the bonus in golden egypt grand. If I don't like you, Keno, wheel of fortune and that fake AP game in piggies, rich little piggies. Sometimes I'll flip through the bet levels on WoF several times lol jk!
Quote: rsactuaryAlso not a mistake, but the slot players slapping the button repeatedly or tapping the screen as fast as they can as if it is going to affect the outcome. The Hold and Spins are the worst.
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Yup, no matter how many times you try and explain to them that stopping the spin has no effect, they will never believe you. All it takes is a single stop to land the 3rd coin on buffallo to qualify them as a skilled slot player.
They stop the reels in the bonus round of rich little piggies lmao!
I'm gonna invent a rechargeble button stopper device lol
Is it possible you were the person who always played Harley Davidson at full volume on the next machine while I was chasing Mega? I am almost glad HD went MIA.Quote: OKAYQuote: DieterTurning machine volume to maximum in hopes of improving the odds.
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Games I play at max volume: Ocean Majic, Golden Egypt. it's the music I like, especially the bonus in golden egypt grand. If I don't like you, Keno, wheel of fortune and that fake AP game in piggies, rich little piggies. Sometimes I'll flip through the bet levels on WoF several times lol jk!
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Quote: OKAYQuote: DieterTurning machine volume to maximum in hopes of improving the odds.
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Games I play at max volume: Ocean Majic, Golden Egypt. it's the music I like, especially the bonus in golden egypt grand. If I don't like you, Keno, wheel of fortune and that fake AP game in piggies, rich little piggies. Sometimes I'll flip through the bet levels on WoF several times lol jk!
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That doesn't sound like you're trying to improve the odds.
;)
Quote: ChicagoSkinnyWasn't sure what forum to put this in but thought it could make for an interesting discussion. For the most part, I'd say the majority of this forum tries to gamble as EV+ as possible, so what player mistake do you see that just really confounds you?
For the sake of a more interesting discussion, let's leave it to a mistake made during the run of play, ie - don't say playing 6:5 blackjack when 3:2 is available or playing triple zero roulette when double zero is available.
For me, it just astounds me when people stand on Soft 17 in blackjack. Often times it'll even be by someone who's chastising someone else's play. When you're at no risk of busting, and have a weak hand, I just can't understand the thought process from those who stand in that situation.
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Recently I saw someone with a stack of greens and a few blacks playing $25min craps table, doing $25-$75 passline and no odds! (3/4/5 table).
Yet he places Inside #s and plays the Field (12 only pays double).
I had to walk away.
Same casino, someone was playing alone on $50min table and only backing with 1x odds. (Table was 3/4/5x odds) He was also only Placing the 6&8.
There were other $25 min tables with plenty of space and at least 1 had an entire side empty.
I guess the $50 player just liked shooting?
Now I might wonder why someone would make sucker bets at the craps table, but it’s that person’s right and I will never comment or even insinuate that they should do otherwise. I actually like these players because they subsidize players like me. Craps would not exist if everyone played line bets plus full odds, just like 3:2 blackjack would not exist if everyone played proper basic strategy.
Suckers: We salute you !
We who play these games play them because they’re fun, not because they’re great odds. The only concession the rules make to the player is the ability to fold a hand that has little chance (or in the case of UTH, maximize return on a hand that has a good chance.) There are no guarantees, of course. But geez. The strategies are easy to remember. So remember them, and stick to them. At the very least you’ll get more table time and see more hands for your money. You’ll never get a straight flush if you bust out early from betting on every 8-6-3 salad you’re dealt.
Quote: Ace2The only players I can’t tolerate are the ones that worry about any hand but their own. In craps and BJ, how I play/bet has no effect on anyone but me. I will never understand why anyone else cares if I bet Don’t Pass or hit a 16 vs 7.
Now I might wonder why someone would make sucker bets at the craps table, but it’s that person’s right and I will never comment or even insinuate that they should do otherwise. I actually like these players because they subsidize players like me. Craps would not exist if everyone played line bets plus full odds, just like 3:2 blackjack would not exist if everyone played proper basic strategy.
Suckers: We salute you !
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Considering how many casinos that are trying to get rid of 3:2 for 6:5... you may be on to something!Quote: Ace2just like 3:2 blackjack would not exist if everyone played proper basic strategy.
Suckers: We salute you !
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There are roughly 24 players at the table playing one hand against the dealer. Here are just some of the mistakes I noticed during 40 hands played:
Four players hit 13 against a dealer 5.
Four players hit 14 against a dealer 4.
Two players hit 12 against a dealer 5.
Two players hit 13 against a dealer 4.
At least one player split 66 against a dealer 8.
18 players did not double 9 against a dealer 5.
At least one player split TT against a dealer 4.
Only 13 players hit A33 against a dealer 9. Some of them split the 33.
Only 8 hit 15 against a dealer T.
Only 19 hit A6 against a dealer 9.
Only 18 hit A39 against a dealer T.
Only 4 hit 22245 against a dealer T.
Only 6 hit 15 against a dealer A.
Only 19 players split 33 against a dealer 3.
I feel like players make different decisions with the same totals depending on how many cards make up that total. The game plays very slowly, and this is exacerbated by players not doubling down when they should or splitting pairs when they should not.
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No. You don't see their actions. If you act early then you just have to wait until all other players act or time out. The dealer just waits. If the table is dealt 7-8 and the dealer has a 5 showing, then everyone should stand. You see a countdown on the screen of how many players have yet to act. Then, you might see an icon saying 3 players hit. Then, the dealer turns a card to hit those hands only. Your hand is just a video representation of your cards. The real cards go into a slot in the table so you don't get confused by cards that you didn't ask for. But you see the dealer turning real cards.Quote: billryanI'm not familiar with the game. Can you wait and see what your fellow players are doing before you decide?
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If one or more players split, you might see 5 more cards dealt out even if you stood on TT. Those extra cards just disappear into the slot and you see only two tens in your hand. After all hands are completed, the dealer plays his hand by normal rules. After the game is over, there is a list of the screen names of all the winners and how much they won.
The game allows one dealer to deal to hundreds of hands at one table. This means the casino can afford to have a $1 table minimum. I wanted to play $10 per hand for a promo that required a $10 min bet. If I had played an ordinary table with a $25 min bet, the promo EV would be reduced a bit.
I was wondering if a novice could tap into the group's wisdom by mimicking the most popular choice.
Quote: billryanSo if you hit, everyone that hits gets a common card ?
I was wondering if a novice could tap into the group's wisdom by mimicking the most popular choice.
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You have to be paying attention to small screen messages to see what the popular choice was. Clearly many of the newbs don't understand anything about the game, so they might not even notice they are going their own way. There is also chat, and there is a lot of hectoring of players who split in stupid situations and delayed the rest of the table from getting their result.
There are easier ways of learning the proper play, but monkey-see monkey-do is better than blindly playing wrong on half the decisions.
Quote: billryanI'm not familiar with the game. Can you wait and see what your fellow players are doing before you decide?
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I found this video which may help to inform.
I think what you can see is how many other players are still waiting to act.
The game tempo is already somewhere between "lethargic" and "molasses in January", so deliberately slow-playing to annoy the rest of the table just seems cruel.
(As I understand, deck penetration is usually about 50%.)
Yes, that is the Infinite BJ game. Watch the counter on the right. On the first hand, it looks like 11 of 168 players timed out on the first two cards. Then you see that 29 players split the tens. They received a four on their first ten, etc.Quote: DieterQuote: billryanI'm not familiar with the game. Can you wait and see what your fellow players are doing before you decide?
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I found this video which may help to inform.
I think what you can see is how many other players are still waiting to act.
The game tempo is already somewhere between "lethargic" and "molasses in January", so deliberately slow-playing to annoy the rest of the table just seems cruel.
(As I understand, deck penetration is usually about 50%.)
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It is horrible play. But even on an ordinary BJ table with only two other players, I see horrible play most times that time I play online.
