stooge
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June 22nd, 2019 at 7:35:10 AM permalink
I'd appreciate anyone's insight about the prospects of being a part-time AP.

I already have a good-paying job with a flexible schedule, so I have a sufficient bankroll and time to dedicate to such a project. But I've never really gotten into the comp/promo game, so that's a major unknown to me which I assume is a critical component to successfully AP'ing.

So I'm wondering about the feasibility of doing this part-time. What can I expect to get back in terms of promotions, comps, and freeplay? Is it sufficiently profitable to make worthwhile?

I expect much of the time will be spent grinding comps on advantage slots and video poker. I assume for this I'd want/need to have multiple player's cards at each casino in order to optimize. Do you have any idea how much I can expect each account to be worth in terms of promos, freeplay, etc?

I'd also want to scout any good holecarding opportunities. For those with more experience, how frequent are do holecarding opportunities pop up?

Appreciate any insights you can give. Also feel free to PM if you prefer to keep private. thanks.
RS
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June 22nd, 2019 at 7:45:30 AM permalink
It all depends on what you find. Some stuff may only be worth $100-200. Some stuff may be worth $10k+. And anywhere in between.
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darkoz
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June 22nd, 2019 at 8:00:58 AM permalink
Expectation of APing comps can be very lucrative.

It depends on a lot of factors at the casino you intend to play. They all have different systems and comping measures.

Figuring out how to get maximum comps for your dollar and all the pitfalls concurrently with that is the real legwork. To my knowledge there are no sites you can look these up. You pretty much are on your own.

Fifty percent of APing comps these days is usually figuring out just how to get them.

The other fifty percent is figuring out how to keep them.

Neither of those is easy if you are new to the game.

The latter is never easy if the target is at war with you (APing of comps)
stooge
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June 22nd, 2019 at 8:12:26 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Expectation of APing comps can be very lucrative.

It depends on a lot of factors at the casino you intend to play. They all have different systems and comping measures.

Figuring out how to get maximum comps for your dollar and all the pitfalls concurrently with that is the real legwork. To my knowledge there are no sites you can look these up. You pretty much are on your own.

Fifty percent of APing comps these days is usually figuring out just how to get them.

The other fifty percent is figuring out how to keep them.

Neither of those is easy if you are new to the game.

The latter is never easy if the target is at war with you (APing of comps)



Thanks for the pointers. I imagine there are a lot of variables that I'll have to do the legwork on myself. The big question I have is whether it's really necessary to have a big network of players, or at least identities of players, or whether this is a task that can be taken on alone.

It seems obvious that having a network can only help to scale things, assuming they don't have a major piece of the action. What I'm asking is whether such a network is really necessary to make this thing work. Thanks again
MDawg
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June 22nd, 2019 at 9:08:19 AM permalink
Darkov: you have made posts complaining about how you get no comps and instead just get the boot and arrested at casinos, so when you now post "Expectation of APing comps can be very lucrative." what is that based on? Are you now saying that you walk in the front door and show a player card? Or do you lie low and advantage play blackjack? Which is it?

stooge you mention slots...slots are among the worst odds in the house don't see how the word slots and advantage play could coexist. Then again I never touch the stuff, strictly for squares, so if darkov is pulling that handle while shoving his player card into the machine, perhaps he may comment.
darkoz
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June 22nd, 2019 at 9:19:21 AM permalink
Quote: MDawg

Darkov: you have made posts complaining about how you get no comps and instead just get the boot and arrested at casinos, so when you now post "Expectation of APing comps can be very lucrative." what is that based on? Are you now saying that you walk in the front door and show a player card? Or do you lie low and advantage play blackjack? Which is it?

stooge you mention slots...slots are among the worst odds in the house don't see how the word slots and advantage play could coexist. Then again I never touch the stuff, strictly for squares, so if darkov is pulling that handle while shoving his player card into the machine, perhaps he may comment.



I will keep it simple.

After I got papered by a casino in 3 states I found all my players cards in my name voided and no mailed.

A great example is one casino I was hitting at the time with 28 players cards including my own.

They no mailed my card in my name.

Whoopdeedoo. I now had only 27 cards collecting offers instead of 28.

1/28 of my income was lost that month from that location.

Considering my entire MO was papered as someone who uses OTHER people's players cards you do see the utter futility of the casinos countermeasures

As for getting the boot at other casinos thereby putting me out of business lets just put it this way.

There 600 million people in the US. Trust me I was able to find other people I trust who go in and do the work for me. That doesn't stop me either.

As to getting arrested that happened once and the charges were not only dismissed but expunged from the record booyah!
MDawg
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June 22nd, 2019 at 9:47:20 AM permalink
So when you posted lamenting "where are my comps?" (I'd find the exact post but this forum's search system is primitive at best) and complaining that you get no comps only the boot...you were referring only to you and your own specifically comps, versus your "team's" comps? Okay. Leave that alone for now, as contradictory as it seems on its face.

But...so (another sentence starting with the word so) all this time that I assumed you were some MIT team of advantage play card counting BJ players, all you guys are doing is playing games like slots (and losing no doubt, for who wins at slots) in exchange for comps? How is that profitable? And even if it were profitable, how does one earn a living (as in cash, those Benjies you keep talking about in your pocket) off free dinners and hotel rooms?

Talk to me my brother.
PokerGrinder
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June 22nd, 2019 at 10:20:29 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

I will keep it simple.

After I got papered by a casino in 3 states I found all my players cards in my name voided and no mailed.

A great example is one casino I was hitting at the time with 28 players cards including my own.

They no mailed my card in my name.

Whoopdeedoo. I now had only 27 cards collecting offers instead of 28.

1/28 of my income was lost that month from that location.

Considering my entire MO was papered as someone who uses OTHER people's players cards you do see the utter futility of the casinos countermeasures

As for getting the boot at other casinos thereby putting me out of business lets just put it this way.

There 600 million people in the US. Trust me I was able to find other people I trust who go in and do the work for me. That doesn't stop me either.

As to getting arrested that happened once and the charges were not only dismissed but expunged from the record booyah!


Not your point I know but there are 327 million people in the US not 600.
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darkoz
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June 22nd, 2019 at 10:23:48 AM permalink
Quote: PokerGrinder

Not your point I know but there are 327 million people in the US not 600.



Lol ok. I didnt check

Yeah, u got the point
darkoz
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June 22nd, 2019 at 10:26:35 AM permalink
Quote: MDawg

So when you posted lamenting "where are my comps?" (I'd find the exact post but this forum's search system is primitive at best) and complaining that you get no comps only the boot...you were referring only to you and your own specifically comps, versus your "team's" comps? Okay. Leave that alone for now, as contradictory as it seems on its face.

But...so (another sentence starting with the word so) all this time that I assumed you were some MIT team of advantage play card counting BJ players, all you guys are doing is playing games like slots (and losing no doubt, for who wins at slots) in exchange for comps? How is that profitable? And even if it were profitable, how does one earn a living (as in cash, those Benjies you keep talking about in your pocket) off free dinners and hotel rooms?

Talk to me my brother.



I could tell you how to do it.

I get yelled at here for explaining AP processes.

At any rate I worked very hard to make my team and my process so not giving that info away

A conundrum I know. You either believe it works or not. In the end you can accuse me of being BS but it doesnt change my ability to AP

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