darkoz
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October 13th, 2018 at 9:04:33 AM permalink
I have an AP dream *

That casino workers and casino APs can walk down the casino floor hand in hand unafraid to admit they know each other

I have an AP dream I have a dream

I have an AP dream that Blackjack card counters
Will be able to sit and spread thousands at high counts
Without the fear of backoffs or bannings.
That the casino bean counters will realize they make more money by not countering the counters and wasting money in a game of cat and mouse

I have an AP dream I have a dream

I have an AP dream that one day black men who play poker and Asian women who can see little markings on cards are not sued for their well gotten gains and that casinos honor their debts

I have an AP dream I have a dream

I have an AP dream that one day casinos will not consider the taking of free gifts as stealing and recognize that reneging on offers earned through previous gameplay is them stealing from the customers.

I have a dream that casinos will have no problem with freinds and family using other people player cards with their permission

I have a dream that no one who is legally making money at a casino aka law abiding citizens will not be unduly harrassed and made to feel inferior. Forced to drink out of water fountains located in other properties because they have been trespassed in the former

I have an AP dream.

I have an AP dream

*freely adapted from a speech by Martin Luther King jr.
Last edited by: darkoz on Oct 13, 2018
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billryan
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October 13th, 2018 at 9:12:52 AM permalink
As St Paul is said to have said- I pity the fool who sells his dreams for a few pieces of silver.
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October 13th, 2018 at 9:57:08 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz


That the casino bean counters will realize they make more money by not countering the counters and wasting money in a game of cat and mouse



There's no way this is objectively true... the whole point of APing is to gain a positive edge over the casino, right? If an AP has a positive edge, and the casino lets him play, they are not going to make MORE money off of that situation....
darkoz
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October 13th, 2018 at 10:43:42 AM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

There's no way this is objectively true... the whole point of APing is to gain a positive edge over the casino, right? If an AP has a positive edge, and the casino lets him play, they are not going to make MORE money off of that situation....



I said it was a dream

Dream logic please

But seriously it has been argued that card counters who have succesfull stories to tell generate more business for Blackjack than if all card counters were destroyed
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TigerWu
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October 13th, 2018 at 10:47:52 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

But seriously it has been argued that card counters who have succesfull stories to tell generate more business for Blackjack than if all card counters were destroyed



Well, in that case I wonder how much revenue Don Johnson generated for casinos after he took them for $15 million... I hope they at least made their money back!
darkoz
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October 13th, 2018 at 11:31:43 AM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

Well, in that case I wonder how much revenue Don Johnson generated for casinos after he took them for $15 million... I hope they at least made their money back!



Lots publicity

Theres all types of shows on him

But he wasnt card counting
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TigerWu
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October 13th, 2018 at 11:35:28 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Lots publicity

Theres all types of shows on him

But he wasnt card counting



I know 90% of his scheme was exploiting the comp system hard, but I thought he was counting, too...?
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October 13th, 2018 at 12:55:01 PM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

There's no way this is objectively true... the whole point of APing is to gain a positive edge over the casino, right? If an AP has a positive edge, and the casino lets him play, they are not going to make MORE money off of that situation....


I think itís generally true when it comes to card counting.
darkoz
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October 13th, 2018 at 1:14:13 PM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

I know 90% of his scheme was exploiting the comp system hard, but I thought he was counting, too...?



Not from what I remember in the doc I saw

He used 20% rebate combined with alterations to the rules that knocked the house advantage to almost nothing

Supposedly they also had some rule about dealer mistakes that he capitalized on turning it plus ev for him

That last part always sounded suspect to me but that's the way it was described
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October 13th, 2018 at 1:41:32 PM permalink
I like dreams. Sweet dream darkoz

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