darkoz
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April 15th, 2018 at 7:31:30 AM permalink
Quote: Homelessnyc

I get a laugh everytime you pull this, get owned and say I'm making a joke. I get it, trust me, all your post are jokes and we all get a good laugh from you.



I didnt get owned unless you now claim to be my pimp

(P.s) since you will now believe you are pimping me that was a joke

Poor guy with no sense of humor needs every joke spelled out to him in advance
michael99000
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April 15th, 2018 at 7:34:19 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Blackjack is as played today not a game with a set house edge

If its offered with enough to make it .25 -ev that is only based on perfect basic strategy play.

Unskilled players may have a 2% or worse house edge

Furthermore you make the assumption that card counting raises the ev only during a positive count

Technically it is always +ev to a counter ie at the beginning of the shoe. That is why some games offer rules a counter would refuse to play (the game is not +ev) the counter is only taking advantage of those moments when the deck composition is in his favor not that the rules making the game +ev have been altered

So let me ask you if the composition of the deck made the count heavily - or against the player would you feel the casino should shuffle then as well to bring the game back to its original composition? If not then you are for preferential shuffling



I would not say I’m “for” preferential shuffling ..

ZK stated in an earlier thread that it was illegal for the casino to do this because it changed the odds of the game sand made them worse. I’m just saying , what it does is it resets the odds for the next hand to whatever the house edge is under that given games rules. It cannot make the odds of the next hand worse than that.

Put it this way , a player has the ability to start out playing a new shoe and then stop playing and walk away to a new table that’s starting a new shoe as soon as the count has gone negative. Ok so the casino electing to shuffle when the count goes positive is basically the mirror image of that move on their end. Both sides have a decision they can make that allows them to not play the game under certain conditions.

Why should a player be able to walk away after 1 hand or 5 hands or 10 hands into a shoe if he doesn’t like the count, but the casino has to play out the entire shoe regardless of how they feel about the count ?
Homelessnyc
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April 15th, 2018 at 7:49:46 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

I didnt get owned unless you now claim to be my pimp

(P.s) since you will now believe you are pimping me that was a joke

Poor guy with no sense of humor needs every joke spelled out to him in advance



Wow someone needs to teach you how to use a dictionary. Own has more than one meaning...

Please keep going watching you try and fail is making my morning.

I'll check back later for some more laughs
darkoz
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April 15th, 2018 at 8:00:08 AM permalink
Quote: Homelessnyc

Wow someone needs to teach you how to use a dictionary. Own has more than one meaning...

Please keep going watching you try and fail is making my morning.

I'll check back later for some more laughs



Wow smh once again proof you have no sense of humor even with the joke spelled out for you

As trump would say: so sad
JohnnyQ
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April 15th, 2018 at 1:02:43 PM permalink
Quote: michael99000

Why should a player be able to walk away after 1 hand or 5 hands or 10 hands into a shoe if he doesn’t like the count, but the casino has to play out the entire shoe regardless of how they feel about the count ?

That seems like a good point to me.
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darkoz
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April 15th, 2018 at 1:53:03 PM permalink
Quote: michael99000

I would not say I’m “for” preferential shuffling ..

ZK stated in an earlier thread that it was illegal for the casino to do this because it changed the odds of the game sand made them worse. I’m just saying , what it does is it resets the odds for the next hand to whatever the house edge is under that given games rules. It cannot make the odds of the next hand worse than that.

Put it this way , a player has the ability to start out playing a new shoe and then stop playing and walk away to a new table that’s starting a new shoe as soon as the count has gone negative. Ok so the casino electing to shuffle when the count goes positive is basically the mirror image of that move on their end. Both sides have a decision they can make that allows them to not play the game under certain conditions.

Why should a player be able to walk away after 1 hand or 5 hands or 10 hands into a shoe if he doesn’t like the count, but the casino has to play out the entire shoe regardless of how they feel about the count ?



Its a good argument. Not sure I up to challenging that one

Are there not games where the player is allowed an advantage at some point in game play?

After a point is made in Craps the player is allowed to remove his Dont Pass bet because its advantageous to him. Could the casino not utilize your argument. Why should they be forced to play when the dont come player has an advantage over them but the player is allowed to walk away

I feel like im grasping here with this argument though. I reserve the right to a better comeback if it occurs to me

I need time dammit!!!!
NokTang
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April 15th, 2018 at 7:04:41 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz


After a point is made in Craps the player is allowed to remove his Dont Pass bet because its advantageous to him. Could the casino not utilize your argument. Why should they be forced to play when the dont come player has an advantage over them but the player is allowed to walk away



If each bet is in fact independent of the others, how can this be true? Asked another way, how can removing a DP wager after the point is established be "advantageous" to her? Thanks
Ibeatyouraces
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April 15th, 2018 at 7:18:54 PM permalink
If the DP bet makes it through the CO roll, it is now at a player advantage/casino disadvantage. This is why they allow you to pick it up then.
DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
darkoz
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April 15th, 2018 at 7:29:05 PM permalink
Quote: NokTang

If each bet is in fact independent of the others, how can this be true? Asked another way, how can removing a DP wager after the point is established be "advantageous" to her? Thanks



Ibeatyouraces explained it. The odds at that moment are in favor of The player

The casino allows you to remove the bet because they are happy if someone is stupid enough to drop their action when its favorable to the player

But it is still at player discretion not the casino

Which brings us back to the subject of preferential shuffling
ZenKinG
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April 19th, 2018 at 11:17:00 PM permalink
Just so everyone know, im not the 'Lone Wolf' that appeared on the gambling with an edge podcast recently if anyone even cares, but just to clarify. Gonna have to change my sig now.
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.

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