Ibeatyouraces
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April 14th, 2018 at 10:31:10 AM permalink
The house edge should only be stated based on a fresh shuffle with no hands dealt yet.
DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
darkoz
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April 14th, 2018 at 1:06:24 PM permalink
Quote: michael99000

All shuffling does is bring the odds of the game back to where they were originally. It can never make the game worse then it is at the start of any shoe.

Are you saying that youíre entitled to play at whatever odds the game is at after some small cards have been used up? I disagree.

If a blackjack game offered has rules that letís say equate to a .025 house edge , then as long as the casino doesnít do anything to make the odds worse than that , then they have not broken any laws imo.



Blackjack is as played today not a game with a set house edge

If its offered with enough to make it .25 -ev that is only based on perfect basic strategy play.

Unskilled players may have a 2% or worse house edge

Furthermore you make the assumption that card counting raises the ev only during a positive count

Technically it is always +ev to a counter ie at the beginning of the shoe. That is why some games offer rules a counter would refuse to play (the game is not +ev) the counter is only taking advantage of those moments when the deck composition is in his favor not that the rules making the game +ev have been altered

So let me ask you if the composition of the deck made the count heavily - or against the player would you feel the casino should shuffle then as well to bring the game back to its original composition? If not then you are for preferential shuffling
BobDancer
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April 14th, 2018 at 3:10:38 PM permalink
We're going to interview Bob again in a few months. Keep your questions coming, either posted here, sent to me as a PM, or sent as an email to bobdancerlasvegas@yahoo.com

Those who listened this time noticed a lot of the questions posed on this forum made it to the show. That will likely continue to be the case in the future

Bob
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April 14th, 2018 at 10:07:24 PM permalink
Even if a suit against preferential shuffling is successful it wouldn't help the skilled player, because casinos would just introduce more 6:5 games and CSMs; they would drop their DD games for 6D games, not offer S17, not allow DAS, etc. The casinos will always make sure that their blackjack game is profitable.

Look at Ken Uston's lawsuit against Atlantic City casinos. He successfully reversed a New Jersey Casino Commission regulation that allowed casinos to exclude card counters--casinos could not ban someone simply for counting cards at blackjack . He won, and what did the casinos do? They half-shoed and flat-betted the skilled players, and they changed the rules of the game to increase their house edge.

You can't win by bringing a legal case against preferential shuffling by the casinos, because even if you win the battle you'll lose the war. Let the few casinos that use preferential shuffling have their way. Quietly move on. It's a lot better than forcing them to change the rules of the game to the point that a skilled player can't win. The object of blackjack is to Beat the Dealer, and this can't be done if the game is unbeatable.
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darkoz
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April 15th, 2018 at 2:07:03 AM permalink
Quote: Greasyjohn

Even if a suit against preferential shuffling is successful it wouldn't help the skilled player, because casinos would just introduce more 6:5 games and CSMs; they would drop their DD games for 6D games, not offer S17, not allow DAS, etc. The casinos will always make sure that their blackjack game is profitable.

Look at Ken Uston's lawsuit against Atlantic City casinos. He successfully reversed a New Jersey Casino Commission regulation that allowed casinos to exclude card counters--casinos could not ban someone simply for counting cards at blackjack . He won, and what did the casinos do? They half-shoed and flat-betted the skilled players, and they changed the rules of the game to increase their house edge.

You can't win by bringing a legal case against preferential shuffling by the casinos, because even if you win the battle you'll lose the war. Let the few casinos that use preferential shuffling have their way. Quietly move on. It's a lot better than forcing them to change the rules of the game to the point that a skilled player can't win. The object of blackjack is to Beat the Dealer, and this can't be done if the game is unbeatable.



I agree.

Perhaps someone needed a follow-up suit which argued preferential flat-betting is illegal

I mean setting a table min-max and pointing to one player and saying "oh not you" sounds completely illegal

The equivalent of having a buy 2 get one free sale and then pointing to one customer and saying "not you cause you use too many coupons"

(Or "not you we heard you used coupons at our competitor across the street so no sale items for you. Better get out of town your bargain hunting days are over)
Homelessnyc
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April 15th, 2018 at 5:13:46 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

I agree.

Perhaps someone needed a follow-up suit which argued preferential flat-betting is illegal

I mean setting a table min-max and pointing to one player and saying "oh not you" sounds completely illegal



This will make you zero for two on your legal guesses. I would think most APs would have invested some time and at least learned the basics from Bob N book
darkoz
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April 15th, 2018 at 6:43:05 AM permalink
Quote: Homelessnyc

This will make you zero for two on your legal guesses. I would think most APs would have invested some time and at least learned the basics from Bob N book



If youre the one keeping score then I am clearly 6 for five
Homelessnyc
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April 15th, 2018 at 6:54:33 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

If youre the one keeping score then I am clearly 6 for five



As usual can't fight the facts so you make up nonsense.
Love it
darkoz
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April 15th, 2018 at 7:05:10 AM permalink
Quote: Homelessnyc

As usual can't fight the facts so you make up nonsense.
Love it



Huh boy once again you demonstrate no sense of humor. What a horrid life you must live. Come on laugh a ljttle

Anyway your legal acumen does not mean anything nor does your scorekeeping

Feel better now?

EDIT: and since you didnt recognize the "nonsense" reply it was a blackjack reference. My score is 6 for five. Get it? 6:5?

But jokes are hard to fathom when you have no sense of humor
Homelessnyc
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April 15th, 2018 at 7:19:32 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Huh boy once again you demonstrate no sense of humor. What a horrid life you must live. Come on laugh a ljttle

Anyway your legal acumen does not mean anything nor does your scorekeeping

Feel better now?

EDIT: and since you didnt recognize the "nonsense" reply it was a blackjack reference. My score is 6 for five. Get it? 6:5?

But jokes are hard to fathom when you have no sense of humor



I get a laugh everytime you pull this, get owned and say I'm making a joke. I get it, trust me, all your post are jokes and we all get a good laugh from you.

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