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Quote: frisbee25If you were pretty good at throwing dice what bet would you make after the pass line bet?
If the dice are fair, you can't be "good at throwing dice." The more you play the more your rolls will average out to their statistical averages.
To give you some kind of answer, if you're "good" then you should bet max odds, come bets, place bets, etc.
Quote: RomesIf the dice are fair, you can't be "good at throwing dice." The more you play the more your rolls will average out to their statistical averages.
To give you some kind of answer, if you're "good" then you should bet max odds, come bets, place bets, etc.
What's the point of this forum? Is it just "Dice Setting"? I thought it'd be dice control. If it's just dice setting, then why isn't there a forum for kissing vs blowing on the dice, men vs women shooters, wearing cargo shorts vs swim trunks vs speedos while at the craps table?
If it's for dice control, then isn't any sort of "dice control doesn't exist" statement like an atheist posting in a forum for Catholics?
For the OP: it depends on whether your control is on-axis or off-axis, and the distribution of rolls where the dice have rotated the same amount vs 1/4, 1/2, or 3/4 off. And then on what set you use. And then on whether it's important to avoid heat or not.
Quote: DicePhDPlay at horseshoe Shreveport. 100x odds.
I think at any Horseshoe, the deal is to offer such. In any case, Horseshoe Baltimore also has 100x
Quote: DicePhDPlay at horseshoe Shreveport. 100x odds.
The best way to win at the horseshoe in Shreveport is to stop at the buffet, eat, rub the million dollar wall, and U-turn towards the parking lot...... Like a boss
Quote: frisbee25If you were pretty good at throwing dice what bet would you make after the pass line bet?
9's using my favorite dice set.
In most cases when I get the dice I know I will be making quite a few nines so I start off with $25, 35, 50, 75 and just collect a black chip. it's not much but keeps me in low key by not betting too much.
The other day I was the top shooter making the 9 rolling 6 in a row. Had just over 40 rolls. with 4 number fire made.
This forums main focus isn't craps dice setting nor dice influence... more so gambling with the lowest house edges possible and/or gaining advantages on games. Dice control, or dice influence, isn't taken to very well on these forums because we have a lot of mathematically inclined individuals that mostly all believe it's pure hogwash, which is what I believe.Quote: ArchonyWhat's the point of this forum? Is it just "Dice Setting"? I thought it'd be dice control. If it's just dice setting, then why isn't there a forum for kissing vs blowing on the dice, men vs women shooters, wearing cargo shorts vs swim trunks vs speedos while at the craps table?...
Think about it. If a DI starts off his shoot the same way every time, his main goal should be to continuously roll the same number or numbers if they were off axis in most cases should have a solid outcome of maybe 3 numbers.
This is not possible not even for a robot shooter. get over it.
Just the other day I was on a run of 40 rolls, I seven'd out because of a stupid thing that happened to one of the dice in my fingers at throw time. Hands start to sweat, dice get sticky far too many changes to determine the outcome of what dice do.
Makes me think of a new idea. RUBBER finger gloves for craps shooters.
Everything about that statement is wrong.Quote: LaymedownSorryI have to agree with what Romeo says here. DI are far from none.
Quote: LaymedownSorryI have to agree with what Romeo says here. DI are far from none.
Think about it. If a DI starts off his shoot the same way every time, his main goal should be to continuously roll the same number or numbers if they were off axis in most cases should have a solid outcome of maybe 3 numbers.
This is not possible not even for a robot shooter. get over it.
Just the other day I was on a run of 40 rolls, I seven'd out because of a stupid thing that happened to one of the dice in my fingers at throw time. Hands start to sweat, dice get sticky far too many changes to determine the outcome of what dice do.
Makes me think of a new idea. RUBBER finger gloves for craps shooters.
the so called 'pro' guys used to carry the little handi naps.
'Sorry, I have to agree with what Private Romeo says here.'Quote: OnceDearEverything about that statement is wrong.
I fixed it, now its perfect.
Quote: LaymedownThis is not possible not even for a robot shooter. get over it.
so DI is not possible but dice setting to get an edge is absolutely a fact
dude you are taking ridiculousness to a whole new level
just for laughs tell me why the pyramids at the back of the table don't randomize your throw after you've set the dice
why don't they do what they're supposed to do?
are they defective?
Quote: lilredroosterso DI is not possible but dice setting to get an edge is absolutely a fact
dude you are taking ridiculousness to a whole new level
just for laughs tell me why the pyramids at the back of the table don't randomize your throw after you've set the dice
why don't they do what they're supposed to do?
are they defective?
Simple answer lilredrooster.
YOU NEED TO ACTUALLY PICKUP A SET OF DICE AND ROLL THEM TO UNDERSTAND WHAT I TALK ABOUT HERE. Practice makes perfect.
I can also re-type this in BOLD if you can not clearly see. Sorry to sound like an as$ but I've explained this many times throughout the forum in other threads.
Please KNOW THIS.
There is NO SUCH THING as a DI.
THEY DON"T EXIST.
No one in their right mind would even think about believing they do.
When you actually see a shooter calling out a number and making it is NOT LUCK.
Maybe they know something that we don't.
Maybe they roll the dice for so long with their favorite dice set and visually record their trending numbers.
This in most cases can be believable due to the fact that if the dice setter knows he can roll 3 of the 7 numbers using his dice set, he can easily shout out one of the three numbers at the table and if it gets rolled, everyone's eyes light up and cheering, "How did he do that" well guess what. It was pure luck that he picked the right one and it got rolled.
I do it all the time. In my case I know I throw a ton of nines, so what do I do? I simply shout out the nine before I throw the dice, and If I make it, That doesn't mean i am a DI.
It means I got lucky to throw the right number from my trending numbers.
Just the other day, at the casino, as the dice came to me as new shooter, I let one of the table supervisors know that "I will make history today" followed by "You are about to witness a fire bet"
It did not take long with calling out the correct numbers before they got rolled and then making them again in a short time.
A woman had a bet on the 6 and requested that I roll it. Well guess what
If I call it before rolling it EVERYONE CHEERS
If I call it, then roll a different number, it's no big deal
I rolled it by the way, and she was mesmerized.
When I drop a 1.00 chip to the dealer and say take my $10 nine to $25 before rolling the dice (dealer will reply YOU DID NOT ROLL a NINE) but then you throw the dice and make a nine, everyone cheers and the dealer is now mesmerized as he takes your dollar and presses the nine to $25.
Fourth point firebet made with the FIVE and now all the dealers look at the table supervisor and say "Well he did say he was gonna roll a fire bet"
By the way the five was a buckshot back to back.
It's simple tricks like this that make people want to believe that DI's exist but,
IN REALITY THEY DON'T
What I did the other day was simply played a role on my trending numbers, and it was pure luck that I chose the correct numbers.
Quote: Laymedown
When I drop a 1.00 chip to the dealer and say take my $12 nine to $25 before rolling the dice (dealer will reply YOU DID NOT ROLL a NINE) but then you throw the dice and make a nine, everyone cheers and the dealer is now mesmerized as he takes your dollar and presses the nine to $25.
This doesn't make any sense, the place 9 pays 7-5 so the bets are made in increments of $5. Are you sure you didn't mean the 6 or 8?
Quote: LaymedownA $10.00 on place 9 pays 14, plus original 10 =24 , Drop a dollar to make it $25 on the nine. sorry I should have said, $10.00 nine
Gotcha, should have figured that out on my own sorry. I don't really make place bets so I don't have the pressing levels in my head like some folks do.
You’ve been pretty active lately and while I know there are a ton of non-believers here and you’ve been getting heat for what you are claiming, I am genuinely curious as to how you managed to get the experience needed.
I’m on the fence about this. I’m not writing it off because I’ve seen it action and have had positive results when at the table with a setter. I’ve also seen the same folks seven out rather quickly. But I’ve also seen extended rolls that have earned applause from the table.
I’m looking forward to hearing how you practiced because what I do believe is, if it’s possible, it would take hundreds, if not thousands, of hours of practice.
Quote: SteverinosLMD, can you go into detail on how you practiced your technique? How many thousands of hours? Software used? Equipment used? Environment? Do you have practice rig? Built yourself? Practiced at home? If so, pictures of your set up?
You’ve been pretty active lately and while I know there are a ton of non-believers here and you’ve been getting heat for what you are claiming, I am genuinely curious as to how you managed to get the experience needed.
I’m on the fence about this. I’m not writing it off because I’ve seen it action and have had positive results when at the table with a setter. I’ve also seen the same folks seven out rather quickly. But I’ve also seen extended rolls that have earned applause from the table.
I’m looking forward to hearing how you practiced because what I do believe is, if it’s possible, it would take hundreds, if not thousands, of hours of practice.
It's just practical experience. Just grab the dice and toss them, for many years, followed by mimicking video's of dice setters saying they roll numbers. I've had much visual experience in the early years watching others randomly picking up and tossing the dice.
I created a chart and logged all the "HOT" numbers, but then that was a waste of time.
First off, The key thing is to grab the dice and develop a natural feel from start to finish and do it repeatedly regardless of the numbers rolled.
I keep dice tightly together pick them up approx a couple inches and slam back down on felt, to make sure they roll flat. Then I launch them FROM THE FELT to the end of the come area tossing just near eye level to give a nice bounce when the hit the felt together, then bounce to the top of the back wall just above the diamonds and under the lip. They then fall dead on the table with hardly any roll.
Secondly, After developing a good rhythm it's the same thing like riding a bike, you never lose it. At this point I would experiment with dice sets and trending numbers. I started to keep a visual log on the sevens that get rolled and how I rolled it.
Third, I went back to the chart logging my dice set used and how many REPEAT numbers i'm getting from the set used.
I started using the KISSING 3-1 in between the middle of the dice, not caring for what numbers are on top. it was a very nice set for avoiding sevens but it was making many PROP BET numbers.
I started using the 6,6 hardway set but sevens started appearing again within 5-7 rolls.
I ended off using many many sets to find out which ones would work best but they all had many different outcomes.
The V3 set just rolled sevens and never worked for me.
All in all, I've never changed my dice roll, developing a rhythm tossing them with a slight back spin also helped deaden the dice.
Finally I've found a very nice set that works with my throw and it's great to roll firebets every so often, making tons of numbers, with a low average around 15 and a high average of 25.
My highest roll to date was just over 50 rolls incorporating tons of repeat numbers. Especially inside numbers and the 2 crap.
Dice set used is 6's up, 3's in behind, again pickup a couple inches from the felt and slam them down together to keep them from jiggling, then toss them to the back wall with a slight back spin, directly from the felt. It's an easy groove to learn, after a few hundred rolls, it becomes a natural Clickity-Clack-clack.
As far as new shooters coming to the table and look for advise. I simply say put the fours up and toss them to the back wall followed by tip the dealer after a win. It works, they roll many numbers around 6-7 and also make a point once in a while.
As far as betting. I try to not bet more than two numbers. So if your dice set is allowing you to roll many 6's and 8's then bet just those two numbers. If 5's are hot that day from your set, bet the 5's along with other trending number.
The other day I had my 64 across tossing in 1.00 chip to press the 5 or 9 and happened to notice that the dice set that day was rolling continuous nines including 6 back to back. Unfortunately I stop pressing at 100 on each number and collect black chips for the remainder of the rolls.
LOW KEY is golden for regular shooters.
As far as equipment used, there is none other than washing my hands and keeping them dry during roll times, but rarely do this.
My rolling is not perfect because I still have quite a few issues in rolling fours and tens. hopefully I can master this some how. It's keeping me from rolling the 5 and 6 number firebets on many occasions.
My advise to you Steverinos, is sit back and watch the dice setters and keep a visual log of what two or three numbers they are repeating with the set they use. go once around the table. After a while you will notice trending numbers from all the regular shooters are making, thus saving you from making bets that will never show.
AVOID betting on RANDOM SHOOTERS, 8 out of every 14 will seven out shortly after they get the dice.
Good luck. and remember, KEEP EM HIGH, KEEP EM FLAT AND KEEP EM TOGETHER!
Quote: AcesAndEightsGotcha, should have figured that out on my own sorry. I don't really make place bets so I don't have the pressing levels in my head like some folks do.
Which brings on the million dollar math question?
What are the odds in calling 5 numbers in advance and making them flawlessly when rolling the dice along with a firebet to boot? That's gotta be a million to one odds. I don't think I can do it again, but nothing will stop me from doing it again.
Sorry for being such a showboat at the tables.
So you think that "there is no such thing as a DI?"
So then what good is any of the drivel you post about rolling nines, if we cannot somehow benefit from your experience and learn to influence dem bones in order to roll more nines ourselves?
BTW, how often do you hop the nines, and with what results?
Quote: MrVLMD:
So you think that "there is no such thing as a DI?"
So then what good is any of the drivel you post about rolling nines, if we cannot somehow benefit from your experience and learn to influence dem bones in order to roll more nines ourselves?
BTW, how often do you hop the nines, and with what results?
It's really silly, down to a nomenclature problem really. LMD claims that he can alter the probability of certain numbers appearing at dice, based on his sets and his throwing technique. One might say, that he is influencing the outcome of the dice. But he doesn't call this dice influence.
Shrug. Best not to get caught up in the naming. I would call it dice influencing, he calls it something else.
Quote: MrVLMD:
So you think that "there is no such thing as a DI?"
So then what good is any of the drivel you post about rolling nines, if we cannot somehow benefit from your experience and learn to influence dem bones in order to roll more nines ourselves?
BTW, how often do you hop the nines, and with what results?
Again I can never be a DI. Honestly they do not exist. A DI should be able to make the same number repeatedly with their controlled shooting. If a DI rolls more than 5 different numbers THEN HE IS NOT A DI.
Noone can, not even the dominator or frank. the TV publicity and edited videos I find it hard to believe they can even shoot dice.
They are frauding everyone, saying they are DI's. It's physically impossible the way I see it as well as others.
On the other hand, simply setting the dice and tossing them in hopes to avoid a seven is the only possible belief to allow a shooter to gain an edge over the house. This is very hard to prove because everyone is different.
I've witnessed another shooter that sets the dice with 6'6 up and fives facing the throwing wall and his shooting style is a low whip to the back wall, making more than 9 times yo elevens from a total rolls of just over 15+. I call it luck but then the next round of shooters the same shooter did it again with rolling two yo elevens back to back, and 3 more during his roll of 12+
He has a technique that we can not mimic. We can try but most of us will fail.
Every shooter is different and required their own set of dice to discover what works for them.
The hardest thing I've experienced is LEAVING YOUR DICE SET. This is the problem with many shooters out there is getting them to leave the old dice set behind. but it's not that hard if you Visually log how many POINT SEVEN OUTS you roll with that set. if you fail 3 in a row, guess what? It's time to change your dice set because one of the 3 HOT TRENDING numbers in your set consists of a seven.
Again this is not dice Influencing. and there is no such control. in this case it's a simple technique that any individual can develop by simply rolling da' bones repeatedly using different sets to find a good set that results in at least 3 numbers that repeat themselves follows by betting on JUST THOSE NUMBERS.
Quote: AcesAndEightsIt's really silly, down to a nomenclature problem really. LMD claims that he can alter the probability of certain numbers appearing at dice, based on his sets and his throwing technique. One might say, that he is influencing the outcome of the dice. But he doesn't call this dice influence.
Shrug. Best not to get caught up in the naming. I would call it dice influencing, he calls it something else.
Think about it this way.
BLACK JACK,
If you can see many cards in advance from all the seven or eight players at the table and noticed that not many face cards had come out on that round (seeing an average of about 20 cards and only 5 face cards) Then it's pretty safe to say, the next round will show better results of face cards because the average table should show at least 7 face cards on an average. Same with ACES if you don't see them in a first round, then you can easilly tell yourself there is at least 2 more aces to show in the next round giving you a slight edge.
ROULETTE
If you look at the board and notice the dealer's trending spins of the wheel are hovering around the 00 (Every corner of every twelve is a double 00 neighbor) do you not think that by simply looking at those last 14 outcomes will not show you an edge?
First thing I would do is BET THE 00 NEIGHBORS.
TEXAS HOLDEM POKER
So you are the BIG BLIND. Don't look at your cards. instead look at the rest of the players in order and watch them all calling the BB or folding. If you see 6 players folding their cards with only 2 players left who just limp in, without looking at your cards can you safely say that you have some good cards under there? ANSWER IS MOST LIKELY DUE TO THE FOLDING CARDS giving you a huge advantage.
CRAPS
If a shooter is rolling repeated 8's why would you bet 4, 5,6,9,10 when you can just bet a higher amount on the eight.
All these visual logging technique's can make / save you tons of money and should be considered.
Quote: ontariodealerhe can make nines at will but starts at $10..........come on man.
Yes. The answer is yes, the table minimum is what I start with even though I can safely say I roll nines pretty consistent in my roll.
I know I should start off with just 100 and collect 150 for 10 all day long like a bank machine, but this is where LOW KEY comes in to play. It's never about the money. (If it was about the money, I would consider playing something else).
Craps is for high action players, those that like to feel the spotlight comparable to a poker player at a tournament. Yes there are many show-boaters and thrill seekers. but it's a good feeling to a gambler to take a small amount and get it to max bet giving the gambler that temporary rush when he goes from minimum to max.
It's also stuff like calling for numbers followed by rolling them. or making that fire bet, or back to back points.
Gamblers nicotine is not the money. It's the thrill of the ride.
Hopping nines is a good play but it is also gambling. This is where a friend from another spot would benefit. I tend to not bet very much when shooting. I get more thrill from just rolling vs. betting.Quote: MrVLMD:
So you think that "there is no such thing as a DI?"
So then what good is any of the drivel you post about rolling nines, if we cannot somehow benefit from your experience and learn to influence dem bones in order to roll more nines ourselves?
BTW, how often do you hop the nines, and with what results?
Quote: LaymedownIt's just practical experience. Just grab the dice and toss them, for many years, followed by mimicking video's of dice setters saying they roll numbers. I've had much visual experience in the early years watching others randomly picking up and tossing the dice.
I created a chart and logged all the "HOT" numbers, but then that was a waste of time.
First off, The key thing is to grab the dice and develop a natural feel from start to finish and do it repeatedly regardless of the numbers rolled.
I keep dice tightly together pick them up approx a couple inches and slam back down on felt, to make sure they roll flat. Then I launch them FROM THE FELT to the end of the come area tossing just near eye level to give a nice bounce when the hit the felt together, then bounce to the top of the back wall just above the diamonds and under the lip. They then fall dead on the table with hardly any roll.
Secondly, After developing a good rhythm it's the same thing like riding a bike, you never lose it. At this point I would experiment with dice sets and trending numbers. I started to keep a visual log on the sevens that get rolled and how I rolled it.
Third, I went back to the chart logging my dice set used and how many REPEAT numbers i'm getting from the set used.
I started using the KISSING 3-1 in between the middle of the dice, not caring for what numbers are on top. it was a very nice set for avoiding sevens but it was making many PROP BET numbers.
I started using the 6,6 hardway set but sevens started appearing again within 5-7 rolls.
I ended off using many many sets to find out which ones would work best but they all had many different outcomes.
The V3 set just rolled sevens and never worked for me.
All in all, I've never changed my dice roll, developing a rhythm tossing them with a slight back spin also helped deaden the dice.
Finally I've found a very nice set that works with my throw and it's great to roll firebets every so often, making tons of numbers, with a low average around 15 and a high average of 25.
My highest roll to date was just over 50 rolls incorporating tons of repeat numbers. Especially inside numbers and the 2 crap.
Dice set used is 6's up, 3's in behind, again pickup a couple inches from the felt and slam them down together to keep them from jiggling, then toss them to the back wall with a slight back spin, directly from the felt. It's an easy groove to learn, after a few hundred rolls, it becomes a natural Clickity-Clack-clack.
As far as new shooters coming to the table and look for advise. I simply say put the fours up and toss them to the back wall followed by tip the dealer after a win. It works, they roll many numbers around 6-7 and also make a point once in a while.
As far as betting. I try to not bet more than two numbers. So if your dice set is allowing you to roll many 6's and 8's then bet just those two numbers. If 5's are hot that day from your set, bet the 5's along with other trending number.
The other day I had my 64 across tossing in 1.00 chip to press the 5 or 9 and happened to notice that the dice set that day was rolling continuous nines including 6 back to back. Unfortunately I stop pressing at 100 on each number and collect black chips for the remainder of the rolls.
LOW KEY is golden for regular shooters.
As far as equipment used, there is none other than washing my hands and keeping them dry during roll times, but rarely do this.
My rolling is not perfect because I still have quite a few issues in rolling fours and tens. hopefully I can master this some how. It's keeping me from rolling the 5 and 6 number firebets on many occasions.
My advise to you Steverinos, is sit back and watch the dice setters and keep a visual log of what two or three numbers they are repeating with the set they use. go once around the table. After a while you will notice trending numbers from all the regular shooters are making, thus saving you from making bets that will never show.
AVOID betting on RANDOM SHOOTERS, 8 out of every 14 will seven out shortly after they get the dice.
Good luck. and remember, KEEP EM HIGH, KEEP EM FLAT AND KEEP EM TOGETHER!
It doesn't sound like you put in the necessary hours and hours of practice in a controlled environment (outside of a casino) to achieve the necessary results. If this is possible, I believe it takes an unbelievable amount of practice and dedication to perfecting the craft. I don't think it can be achieved by just throwing the dice at a casino craps table when it's your turn to roll.
Good luck man. Have fun.
Here is another tip for you. SUPPORT IS EVERYTHING. Without support from your peers, you can not survive in any game, but if you have a group of supporters behind you, then this is your strength to build the confidence you need at the tables and win.
Thank you WoV for your support because it's you guys that keep me feeling good at the tables. Yes you guys play a major roll in any gamblers lifestyle by providing us with the knowledge that we lack and fulfilling our doubts in our minds while making bets we are not sure about.
Good luck to you too Steverinos.
Gee, I wonder why no one ever does this.
Quote: RomesWhat I don't get about DI/Dice Setting/whatever... if you can practice and practice and practice to throw 1 number... why not practice till your hands fall off perfecting throwing 6-6, then just bet $1k on boxcars every time. Even if you get it 1/10 times at a 3-1 payoff that's a huuuuge advantage and so much money per day it would be ridiculous.
Gee, I wonder why no one ever does this.
I had mentioned in another forum, there is a guy that does this.
He starts off with 6,6 up with 5'5 facing the shooting wall and rolls them low and makes a ton of 11's and if anyone is there betting $5.00 on the yo eleven then yes it works. It's gambling but it works.
I myself roll ACE's in my dice set but I can not predict when they will come to justify a substantial profit from it.
In 20 numbers rolled, I hit the aces two times.
That's an average of one in ten rolls but it's not a consistent bet even though there is profit.
The best practice is trying to avoid the seven. That's it that's all. Everything else is just gravy when a good roll happens.
