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slackyhacky
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March 26th, 2012 at 9:50:28 AM permalink
Why are craps dealers more grumpy than the roullette or BJ dealers?

Also, why do the always tell me my betting sucks? (it probably does....but it seems strange they should always mention it)

I was at Encore Saturday night (about 3-4am), table was packed. I was laying the 10 on the comeout - taking it down once the point is established. I kept saying, "I'm working on the comeout" - (apparently, a Lay bet is always working...I previously didn't know that). Anyway, the boxman rudely expains this, then states pretty clearly - "plus, I don't know why would make that bet anyway" with a look of disgust on his face. (I didn't see him say anything to anyone who was making high risk sucker bets.......)

That kinda pissed me off - but just a little, since I walked away with $750 in just an hour or so of play.

But this isn't that unique. I get boxman and stickman say stuff like that all the time to me - like when I take no action on the DC line, or whatever - and it isn't like they are being friendly, and giving a nice explaination like "Hey, did you know that your odds are better on the don't come 5 once the point is established?" Its usually a rude and under-the-breath comment about how dumb I am.
WongBo
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March 26th, 2012 at 9:54:12 AM permalink
Quote: slackyhacky

Why are craps dealers more grumpy than the roullette or BJ dealers?
(I didn't see him say anything to anyone who was making high risk sucker bets.......)
That kinda pissed me off - but just a little, since I walked away with $750 in just an hour or so of play.



i think you answered your own question.
they hate the bets that have no house edge.
they love suckers, it gives them job security.
keep doing what you're doing and walk away when you're ahead.
i envy you being reviled by the boxman...
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief. - Proverb.
TIMSPEED
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March 26th, 2012 at 10:31:58 AM permalink
Quote: WongBo

i think you answered your own question.
they hate the bets that have no house edge.
they love suckers, it gives them job security.
keep doing what you're doing and walk away when you're ahead.
i envy you being reviled by the boxman...


Correct.
Also..if you were Laying10 for $60 and paid $1 vig everytime the 7 came up, then you actually had a decent bet. (Even if you were laying it for $50, still not too shabby)
Craps dealers are surly because if you kept making them move around (put your bet up, take it down, put it up, take it down) they get angry. They'd rather just bend down once...to scoop your money up.
Gambling calls to me...like this ~> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Nap37mNSmQ
sunrise089
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March 26th, 2012 at 11:40:48 AM permalink
I have no experience with roulette, but I find craps dealers friendlier than blackjack dealers. Just playing perfect basic strategy in BJ makes me so different than the average players that, should the dealer ever offer an opinion, it's always against me (taking even money, when to hit 12, stuff like that).
odiousgambit
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March 26th, 2012 at 12:23:51 PM permalink
yes, I think the pit boss was saying your bet sucks because it is a pain in the a** for him, nothing relating to HE
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
slackyhacky
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March 26th, 2012 at 1:00:29 PM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

yes, I think the pit boss was saying your bet sucks because it is a pain in the a** for him, nothing relating to HE



Probably.

I do move things around a lot. But.....the first thing I do when I get to the table is give a tip, and say - this is because I am going to have you move my stuff up and down a lot. The dealer almosts always says - no biggie, that's why I am here - but they do always get annoyed anyway.
FleaStiff
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March 26th, 2012 at 1:04:40 PM permalink
Agreed.
A craps dealer will usually help you out as much as he can particularly if you are "doing the Lord's work", ie. making toke bets.
Its this constant: put it up, no take it down that angers them or the other forms of "stroking" real or imagined that annoys them.

A craps dealer usually loves experienced players because they have already learned to tip.

Many bar tenders come to work soused because its the only way to keep all the orders straight and make the drinks really quickly.
A craps dealer doesn't have that luxury, he has to come to work sober but go thru it all reacting to what is happening in real time. Its a job for at best HS graduates, often not even that. Yet the money can be very good once they are past the break-in joints with all the fleas and strokers. A guy making eighty grand at The Venetian probably started out with jerks at The Western.

If you get treated really bad, you are doing something wrong. The upper class joints will react with humor, the lower class joints will react with insults. Either way its a reaction to what is being done by the player... sometimes unknowingly, sometimes knowingly.
EvenBob
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March 26th, 2012 at 1:40:25 PM permalink
Don't ever take any shit from a dealer. When they
try and correct you, or put you down, just tell
them its your money and you bet it where you like.
Or ask them when they're going to get a real job,
like working at McDonalds. That always shuts them up.
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal
TIMSPEED
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March 26th, 2012 at 2:01:42 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Don't ever take any shit from a dealer. When they
try and correct you, or put you down, just tell
them its your money and you bet it where you like.


Actually, at that point, you need to immediately leave that table and MAYBE even that casino...because it's obvious that the dealer isn't happy and also maybe that CASINO hires unhappy people...
Personally I'd play at the Fiesta because they hire people who LOVE dealing (ala: Dan Lubin)
Gambling calls to me...like this ~> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Nap37mNSmQ
teddys
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March 26th, 2012 at 2:19:31 PM permalink
Quote: TIMSPEED

Personally I'd play at the Fiesta because they hire people who LOVE dealing (ala: Dan Lubin)

It's funny you mention that. Last trip I went to Joker's Wild with the intent to play there for a while, maybe two and a half hours. I bought in for $280 in the middle of a roll, and the guy next to me went on a little diatribe to his friend about how much he hates people who buy in in the middle of the roll, etc. (Yeah, I know I could wait, and maybe piss off less people, but I don't care. I hate superstitious players). I immediately colored up my chips (didn't make one bet), and left. "Nothing kills my luck like superstitious craps players who mutter about you behind your back." Then I went over to the Fiesta and lost my money there :)

Calling no action on the DC on a point of 5 is objectively a bad bet, and a good dealer would tell you so.
"Dice, verily, are armed with goads and driving-hooks, deceiving and tormenting, causing grievous woe." -Rig Veda 10.34.4

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