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YoDiceRoll11
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January 16th, 2012 at 3:15:34 PM permalink
What do you make of the below rule, #3.


Transcript: Setting of the dice by the "shooter" for the deliberate purpose of delaying the game is not allowed.

One: If I was setting the dice, why would I deliberately slow the game down? Doesn't help me.
Two: If this is used as a blanket to shun slow dice setters (shouldn't happen because you should be practicing and not be slow), how do you prove that the setter was deliberately intending to slow the play?
Three: Your answer will probably be, well if the dice setter is consistently slow, than they should not be allowed to shoot. My response is: How slow is slow? I have seen drunk people take waaaaay longer to roll the dice than the average "slow" dice setter. They don't get any heat at all. But at the same time, if you can't set the dice, pick em, grip em, and rip em, within 3-6 seconds, you need to practice more.

One study found that an average dice setter could receive the dice, set the dice, make their throw, and have an apparent decision(dice have stopped moving) within 4-8 seconds.
It found that the average "random" roller had a decision within..........4-8 seconds of getting the dice from the stick.

So if the average speed of the average dice setter (ignore outliers), is the same as the average random roller, why even have this rule at all?

Just some things to think about.
Tiltpoul
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January 16th, 2012 at 3:20:41 PM permalink
Sounds to me like some UNLV MBA grad just got hired on at Tulalip Casino and wanted to show he means business!!!

I think the spirit of the rule is okay, if a little ridiculous. You don't want a game held up by somebody who takes forever to throw the dice, allowing other players to make bets in the meantime. The key word, as you correctly point out, is DELIBERATELY. Who determines that an action like that is "deliberate?" I can hear the conversation now...

"Sir, we need to talk to you about your dice setting. Are you deliberately setting them slow?"

"Why yes I am! I'm trying to garner more comp dollars to use at your buffet, and if I spend an extra thirty seconds setting my dice, I'll get another 2 cents!"
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FleaStiff
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January 16th, 2012 at 3:39:41 PM permalink
It just gives them some ammunition ... quite frankly they will simply say that its a delay even if in fact it is not. They are not going to use a stop watch, if they think you are annoying players or annoying them ... they declare it an intentional delay.
YoDiceRoll11
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January 16th, 2012 at 3:44:31 PM permalink
Quote: Tiltpoul



"Sir, we need to talk to you about your dice setting. Are you deliberately setting them slow?"

"Why yes I am! I'm trying to garner more comp dollars to use at your buffet, and if I spend an extra thirty seconds setting my dice, I'll get another 2 cents!"



I just laughed my ass off. HAHA. Legit.
AlanMendelson
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January 16th, 2012 at 5:34:32 PM permalink
The casino should encourage the dice setters who take a looooong time... because they don't know what they're doing.

The guys who do it in a couple of seconds -- who know how they are going to rotate the dice as the stick is pushing them to him -- those are the guys you have to worry about.

And what about the guy who is ordering drinks, high fiving, asking his girl to kiss the dice, etc who takes 60 seconds to yell repeatedly "that's what we do, that's what we do" it's okay for him to delay the game?

lol

they want a posted rule to stop a mechanic. unfortunately a mechanic is so fast the rule -- as posted -- won't apply.
YoDiceRoll11
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January 16th, 2012 at 5:36:52 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

The casino should encourage the dice setters who take a looooong time... because they don't know what they're doing.

The guys who do it in a couple of seconds -- who know how they are going to rotate the dice as the stick is pushing them to him -- those are the guys you have to worry about.



This is true. :)

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They want a posted rule to stop a mechanic. unfortunately a mechanic is so fast the rule -- as posted -- won't apply.



This is exactly what I was thinking, I just couldn't put it into words. Thank you!
DJTeddyBear
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January 16th, 2012 at 6:27:37 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

The casino should encourage the dice setters who take a looooong time... because they don't know what they're doing.

The guys who do it in a couple of seconds -- who know how they are going to rotate the dice as the stick is pushing them to him -- those are the guys you have to worry about.

Dice setters are zero threat - unless they are also control shooters (and even then, it's open to debate).

How much of a "No threat" are they?

I recently saw a guy setting the Flying V, but then he'd just pick them up and toss them any ol' way.

It was so silly that after a few throws like that, the stick was actually turning the dice and giving them to him already set for the Flying V. But then he'd still pick up each one and rotate it so. Sometimes they'd be exactly as the stick provided, sometimes they'd switch sides. After a couple times of that, I mentioned it to the guy. He said he knows, but this is his routine, and he will throw a long time doing this. Sure enough, the dice were given to him in the V again, he reset them, and threw a 7. Guess who's fault THAT was....
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Doc
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January 16th, 2012 at 6:34:14 PM permalink
As I have stated quite a few times, I always set the dice (just for funzies) even though I have no delusions that I can influence the outcome. I set them the same way every time, and there is almost no delay involved.

On the other hand, I have seen maybe a dozen shooters at various casinos who give me the impression that they have watched (and paid for) the same stupid video. Not only do they slowwwly and carefully set each die, but they then bend over the rail, straighten up, grasp the rail with both hands, lean back giving the rail a little tug as if they are aligning their spines with the dice cosmos, then finally pick up the dice. They tap the dice on the table, then hook their wrists in an obviously-awkward position, and heave the cubes down the table. I've never seen one get a hot streak, but I wouldn't be too upset if the house encouraged them to perform their act just a little faster -- not in a rush now, just before everyone else falls asleep. Anyone know whose video/seminar they are copying with that absurd routine?
YoDiceRoll11
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January 16th, 2012 at 10:38:16 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

I recently saw a guy setting the Flying V, but then he'd just pick them up and toss them any ol' way.


Ha, exactly, I see this way too often. I just roll my eyes and play on. Some people just like to do it. Hey go for it!

Quote:

Guess who's fault THAT was....



I can't believe you did that. You should have chanted the usual incantation and spun in a counterclockwise direction 4 times. How DARE you!
YoDiceRoll11
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January 16th, 2012 at 10:40:16 PM permalink
Quote: Doc

but they then bend over the rail, straighten up, grasp the rail with both hands, lean back giving the rail a little tug as if they are aligning their spines with the dice cosmos, then finally pick up the dice. They tap the dice on the table, then hook their wrists in an obviously-awkward position, and heave the cubes down the table. I've never seen one get a hot streak, but I wouldn't be too upset if the house encouraged them to perform their act just a little faster -- not in a rush now, just before everyone else falls asleep. Anyone know whose video/seminar they are copying with that absurd routine?



Weird. Not any of the ones that I've watched. This sounds downright obnoxious. The whole point of controlled shooting is to be relaxed and natural. Throwing in an extra routine that sets your mind to your goal is fine. But it becomes an issue when you:

A: Take so much time, that it delays the game, OR
B: You look like a moron.

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