kaysirtap
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November 19th, 2011 at 12:18:54 AM permalink
Putting actual statistics aside... in your opinion, how often do you perceive the Fire Bet to hit for 4/5/6 numbers per # of shooters, hour, visit, shift, week, or month? Please indicate if you work in the industry.
FleaStiff
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November 19th, 2011 at 2:29:50 AM permalink
Sorry. Ain't never thought about it. Ain't never worked in the industry either.
RonC
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November 19th, 2011 at 3:35:21 AM permalink
I don't work in the industry.

I will play the fire bet but most of the casinos I go to do not have it. Even in the best "hot roll" situations I have had in a casino that has the bet, it did not hit even at the lowest payout.

My perception is that the only people who hit the fire bet are people who know better than to play when I am around.
Tiltpoul
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November 19th, 2011 at 5:44:06 AM permalink
I've never played the actual bet itself, but I've only seen payouts on the table 3 or 4 times. Twice, they had 5 points and were working to hit the 6th point before they 7'nd out. The other times it was just 4 points. I don't work in the industry, but my opinion is that it doesn't hit enough to justify playing it.
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boymimbo
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November 19th, 2011 at 6:29:06 AM permalink
I used to play a lot of craps. I've only heard of 6 point fires a couple of times (I threw one of them and don't anticipate ever throwing another one again). They say that the odds of hitting a 6 point fire are about 6,000:1. The five pointers I hit once (about 600:1) and the four pointers come up fairly often (about 110:1). The four pointers probably hit once if you're working an 8 hour shift; the five pointers you'd see once a week, and a six pointer once a season. This is based on seeing about 200 comes outs and perhaps 100 shooters per shift. Keep in mind that the fire bet only happens when a shooter starts their roll.

My personal experience is that the fire bet comes up about as often as it should. At the time when I hit my six pointer, I'd been playing craps for about 7 years and only had two other similar shooting experiences in my career (when the fire bet wasn't offerred) and I estimate that's I've been the shooter on the magnitude of about 2,000 comeouts, so I've been lucky.
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DJTeddyBear
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November 19th, 2011 at 12:42:17 PM permalink
Quote: Tiltpoul

... my opinion is that it doesn't hit enough to justify playing it.

Mathematicallly, I agree.

But it's the only side bet I'll play.

Reason is, it's only a buck, and it's active for a long time.
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TheNightfly
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November 19th, 2011 at 1:20:02 PM permalink
I don't play craps all that often but now that I've played the fire be I won't play craps without it... the game just isn't as much fun in my opinion. I've seen a 6 point payout twice and wasn't on it either time. I rolled a 5 point winner once, on my last roll about 4 years ago at the RIO, just before we went to the airport. My friend has won a 6-pointer 3 times and he's rolled it himself once. He's hit a 5 and 4 pointer many times and he says it's the only bet in any casino where he's ahead. He does play a lot of craps and seeing that he's probably won about $20,000 on the bets I'd say he probably is ahead.
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Doc
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November 21st, 2011 at 7:49:00 AM permalink
My perception? Well my perception is that it almost never pays off, which is pretty much what the statistics indicate.

I don't usually play the fire bet, but of those times that I have played, I think I am actually ahead on the money, which is amazing. My guess is that I have played the wager a total of 40 to 60 times ever, at $1 each time. In August 2010, I won in Tunica for $250, and last Thursday evening I won in Biloxi for $25. I'll probably keep tossing out $1 occasionally on a whim.
Paradigm
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November 21st, 2011 at 12:09:42 PM permalink
When I play, I mostly play craps. I have played the Fire Bet a few times and got close to a win. Was at a table that hit five points, but arrived after the come out roll. It adds a some fun to the table.

The last time I was in Vegas, I played the All Small/All Tall/All or Nothing side bet at The Encore. That was a lot of fun and I decided prefer it to the Fire Bet. It is a lot like the Shut The Box game concept that was bantered about here in the last several months. I think the increased fun of the bet is that you can make progress towards a win without having to hit the point. Mid point rolls of 2's, 3's, 11's & 12's are huge as they are the hardest numbers to roll but they have no impact on your point status.

With the Fire Bet, the only items that matter are the 7 and the point so you are still left with lots of rolls that provide no "progress" on your Fire Bet or your Line Bet. Obviously you can light up the numbers on by placing them or through multiple Come bets, but the point is with the All Small/Tall that you get some action in between the action on your main bet. I think that is why to me the Tall/Small adds more to the game.

I likely will continue to speculate on both when I have a "feeling", but prefer the Small/Tall/Nothing prop bet.
DJTeddyBear
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November 21st, 2011 at 12:42:09 PM permalink
The All bets are similar to the Fire bet in that they're active for an extended period of time. But not nearly as long.

Also, ANY 7 is a loser.

Therefore, if you're on the pass line, you can't be rooting for a mid-roll 7 because of the All bet.


But if you like it, go ahead and play it.
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