FleaStiff
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November 2nd, 2011 at 8:42:58 AM permalink
I would not claim to have tested the software. You had no access to the software and do not know for certain just what software is actually being used. You are analyzing known results to expected results and forming an opinion as to the validity of the software used to generate the results. I would suggest that the phrase "testing the software" suggests you had access to it rather than merely formed an opinion as to bias based on a known sample of results.

I would fee free to add that the initial post was unclear as to his types of bets and at first unresponsive to questions regarding his data set.

I would say "purporting to show his play".

"What was even more striking is that in every way I could have won, my results were less than expected, and in every way I could have lost, they were more. Following are my overall win/loss results:"
.... I agree. This is indeed even more striking so I would wonder why you are not making this appear more promptly because so few people are likely to wade through the jargon about chi square and [/]degrees of freedom. I'd reverse the order and make your "more striking" point be your first punch ... and then follow up as a second punch with all that temperature stuff or whatever a square degree is.
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November 2nd, 2011 at 8:50:10 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

I would not claim to have tested the software. You had no access to the software and do not know for certain just what software is actually being used.



Come again? I happen to have a sports betting account at a placing using this software for their casino and played it for hours yesterday. It looked exactly like the game in the videos clempops4 posted. I've got videos to prove it.

Now, I suppose that we're all in error calling this software BLR Technologies. Would you care to give me a little more to go on that we're putting the blame on the wrong company? As evidence it is BLR, check this post by clempops4.
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FleaStiff
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November 2nd, 2011 at 8:55:53 AM permalink
No, I'm not referring to the name of the entities involved.
I'm referring to the actual software... which to me implies access to the actual computer code.

I would simply avoid saying that you tested software when you yourself did not have access to the underlying code. Perhaps "tested the operation of the site". To me, testing software means that you yourself had access to the computer code.
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November 2nd, 2011 at 9:02:04 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

I would simply avoid saying that you tested software when you yourself did not have access to the underlying code. Perhaps "tested the operation of the software". To me, testing software means that you yourself had access to the computer code.



I guess we just have a difference of opinion there. To me losing 75% of pass line bets in a sample of 328 bets is all the evidence I need. Meanwhile, I invite you to play there with your own money, since I don't have access to the source code, and am so out of line in my warning.
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FleaStiff
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November 2nd, 2011 at 9:35:56 AM permalink
> To me losing 75% of pass line bets in a sample of 328 bets is all the evidence I need.
It sure is!
>and am so out of line in my warning.
I said nothing about it being "so out of line". You asked for comments. I suggested a more restrained statement that does not suggest you had access to the underlying computer instructions which is what, to me at least, is meant by testing the software.

Its clear that the site is giving invalid results that cheat the player.

Its not quite so clear to me from the original poster's initial data file but it is clear from your table setting forth the results of your test.

I don't think anyone who reads the review is ever going to play there with his own money.
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November 2nd, 2011 at 9:47:57 AM permalink
Sounds like a difference in interpretation.

"tested the software", according to Wizard: "I ran it to see how well it approximated real dice."

"tested the software" according to Fleastiff: "I looked at the code to see what was there."

To a casual gambler looking for advice, I think Wiz's is fine. I don't think anyone would assume he had access to the code.
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November 2nd, 2011 at 10:13:08 AM permalink
Quote: Mosca

To a casual gambler looking for advice, I think Wiz's is fine. I don't think anyone would assume he had access to the code.



Thank you.
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November 2nd, 2011 at 10:15:09 AM permalink
Perhaps: "Tested the software" -> "Tested the game". I think that would be right.
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November 2nd, 2011 at 10:22:34 AM permalink
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Perhaps: "Tested the software" -> "Tested the game". I think that would be right.



Point taken. I prefer the word "software" because the same company supplies software to five different casinos. The word "game" is too vague. I'm trying to say that the game was not programmed correctly, and the results do not conform to statistical norms. The problem goes to the root source of the code and I think the word "software" expresses that better.

While I thank all for their opinions, I have to disagree with FleaStiff that I must examine the source code to say I tested the software. As if they are going to show it to me.
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November 2nd, 2011 at 10:44:16 AM permalink
I test software for a living.

I hardly ever look at the source code.

If that helps :)
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