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FleaStiff
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October 11th, 2011 at 7:52:03 AM permalink
Quote: fivespot

Another acquaintance of mine sat down at a bar to play video poker at a medium-size near-Strip casino and had security descend and trespass him without explanation. Several phone calls later he got told that it was because he got drunk and made a scene the previous night. He wasn't there the previous night, and he never drinks, but I guess the guy on the tapes looked like him.



>Sat down at a bar to play video poker ...
So all he really wanted was the seat, not a drink?

I'll admit, playing on promo days is perhaps a problem. I've mentioned before about Radio Shack giving away free flashlights in order to sell batteries and then six months later giving away free batteries to sell flashlights. Sometimes they find customers who take both freebies and purchase neither item. I don't think Radio Shack 86'd them, though. If a casino says a certain day is a slot multiplier day then so be it.

Machine hoggers can have their comp accounts run backwards.


Note: I've always assumed these "slides" were accompanied by distracting "blockers" and other moves. If instead the slides were open and notorious the burden shifts to the casino under the theory that if they want to call "no roll" they can't take all day to think about it and then try to waltz into court to do it. They are the professionals who are supposed to know what a proper roll looks like. An umpire may or may not have electronics available to him, but he doesn't have all day. A BoxMan doesn't have all day either and the most he has available is a call to have surveillance view the tape. I don't think a boxman should be able to wait a few months and then take the stand in a court room. The light is either Red, Green or Yellow. The box is paid to know and to announce it openly rather than conduct some internal debate with himself and then sue months later.

The pretty girl wearing the "Challenge Accepted" tee-shirt depicting an outline of a traffic signal with the yellow light illuminated is welcome at the craps table as a player. The casino likes her money and doesn't care what her driving skills are like. The other players welcome her presence for a different reason, but they welcome her as a player, not as one of the crew. If she can't call the roll promptly and accurately she is not welcome, no matter how attractive she is and no matter how humorous her tee-shirt is. The dice crew have to make their determination then, not later.
EvenBob
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October 11th, 2011 at 12:48:05 PM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

Comparing casinos to Nazi's of the Third Reich is just way out there.



But casinos are run just like a fascist country. They
have secret rules only they know about, and if you
violate them you get tossed out without warning,
and they won't even tell you why. If you break the
rules in a fascist country, or even are suspected of
breaking them, you can spend years in jail without
even knowing the reason. Whats the difference.
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal
MrV
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October 11th, 2011 at 12:54:59 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

But casinos are run just like a fascist country. They
have secret rules only they know about, and if you
violate them you get tossed out without warning,
and they won't even tell you why.



Are you talking about casinos, or a church?

Yes, it's a fine line between casinos and churches.
"What, me worry?"
EvenBob
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January 24th, 2012 at 1:44:03 AM permalink
My gosh this was an exciting thread. And my friend
Dan never did explain why a casino is allowed to
permanently ban you, trespass you, and escort you
off the property, without ever telling you why. His
only explanation was, when you get banned you 'know'
why. Heck, Dan, even the cops tell you why you're
being arrested, or why they're hassling you. Casinos
tell you nothing. Doesn't this seem a little 'odd'?
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal
slackyhacky
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January 24th, 2012 at 9:48:12 AM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

No it isn't.
AP's who play by the house rules and laws are fine with us. Set a Pai Gow hand in a brilliant way, and I'll pay you cash right out of the rack.
But hole-carders or Card counters go to Roulette or go home or to jail in some cirsumstances.
"Sorry - and thanks for playing. Love you, but go to Roulette." Then THEY get nasty when backed off, which is the most polite action.
Dice sliders and bet cappers get worse.

It's unreal.

Gamblers walk into a casino honestly thinking they can do or say anything like, talk to the most polite and veteran dealers like they're absolute dog sh]t thinking they can get them fired for calling a seven-out without giving a damn, only to get outraged when told that their behaviour is out-of-bounds (truly lacking in home training for lack of a better description).

When getting arrested and cuffed by Henderson PD (Police Department), they will honestly say either (happened twice in a month here, forget about the Wynn):
1. "But...I don't want to get arrested" (crying, and finally waking up...) OR
2. "Hey! You're supposed to provide customer service! This is not customer service!"
While in handcuffs at a casino's rear entrance for police pick-up.

Spending a night or a week in an urban jail/detention center like Riker's Island (NY) or CCCF (Las Vegas) is a lot rougher than being told "okay, you're done for the night."
The urban Criminal Detention Center is now the back rooming you'll get as a casino cheat, and in order to end up there, you have to reasonably be considered a dirtbag in the eyes of the Police and society, - screw the floorman's opinion - or anyone here at this forum. Some time in a cage with a town of savages looking at your butt, it doesn't matter what the $7 an hour dealer of the $120 a day floorman thinks.

Surveillance tape played to the judge and jury is tough to argue.

Card counting is not illegal - though it is against casino house rules, and that's a lot - but a lot of the casino cheating crap that gamblers justify with a straight face - at least at this forum - is illegal.

Get backed off a game - and be fine with it.
But an arrest or a civil lawsuit is something.

A week in a municipal jail and a criminal record for life really sucks. So does a $700,000 lawsuit from Steve Wynn.
Expect pity from burnt-out dealers, floormen, or policemen who honestly don't look at casino cheating as some sort of a "valid and non-dirtbag activity?"

Not going to happen, except on an Internet forum in cyberspace.

Not in a real casino pit.



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YoDiceRoll11
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January 24th, 2012 at 11:38:50 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

My gosh this was an exciting thread. And my friend
Dan never did explain why a casino is allowed to
permanently ban you, trespass you, and escort you
off the property, without ever telling you why. His
only explanation was, when you get banned you 'know'
why. Heck, Dan, even the cops tell you why you're
being arrested, or why they're hassling you. Casinos
tell you nothing. Doesn't this seem a little 'odd'?



They are a private business. They can refuse service to anyone for any reason. So can the local grocery store.
EvenBob
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January 24th, 2012 at 11:46:11 PM permalink
Quote: YoDiceRoll11

They can refuse service to anyone for any reason. So can the local grocery store.



I've never been backroomed at the grocery
store. Is that by the break room? Do
they force feed you rotten bananas till
the cops get there?
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal
YoDiceRoll11
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January 24th, 2012 at 11:49:53 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I've never been backroomed at the grocery
store. Is that by the break room? Do
they force feed you rotten bananas till
the cops get there?



Note how I said refuse service, not break your knees.
edward
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January 25th, 2012 at 3:25:35 AM permalink
Quote: jwblue


Craps is meant to be a game of luck. Not skill.



Craps and any other game that has a house advantage is NOT a game of luck. It would be if you would have fair odds.

Its a form of entertainment, you pay whatever the house edge is(or more, depending on how you play :-)) for the pleasure of playing that game.
SanchoPanza
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January 25th, 2012 at 6:01:05 AM permalink
Quote: YoDiceRoll11

They are a private business. They can refuse service to anyone for any reason. So can the local grocery store.


Not quite. Some "reasons" like appearance, skin color, facial or body shape, dress, homelessness, physical disabilities or other handicaps are illegal.

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