blount2000
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June 24th, 2011 at 7:21:36 AM permalink
I joined a craps table a couple of weeks ago and put my bet on the pass line (or so I thought). A seven was rolled on the come out, but the dealer did not put a chip down to pay me. I pointed out that I didn't get paid, and he said that my chip was not on the pass line but was placed more on the actual white line between the outer edge of the pass line and the area between me and the pass line. This was true as I must have been a little sloppy in placing my chip.

He said a chip on the actual white line means something different and does not participate in the come out roll. I told him I did not know that and I was intending to play the pass line. He was very nice and paid me like it was no big deal, but he did say that I need to be careful and make sure the chip is fully inside the pass line when placing a bet (which I will definitely do from now on).

Anyway, I had never heard of this type of bet where a chip is placed on the white line. Is this type of bet "common knowledge" that I should have known about?
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Doc
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June 24th, 2011 at 7:26:17 AM permalink
A wager placed on that line is typically placed there after the point is established, and it represents a place bet on the point number (since the puck is in the way of setting the chips on the actual number space.) I have never heard of a dealer thinking you intended a place bet in that location for the come out roll -- what number would you have made the place bet on?

The more difficult situation is when you are careless and put your line bet touching the line between "Pass" and "Don't Pass". That needs to be straightened out before the roll.
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June 24th, 2011 at 7:33:52 AM permalink
Quote: Doc

The more difficult situation is when you are careless and put your line bet touching the line between "Pass" and "Don't Pass". That needs to be straightened out before the roll.



Ya think?..lol...ummm if it's a seven(or eleven) on come out I'm on pass, otherwise I'm on don't pass ;-)
DJTeddyBear
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June 24th, 2011 at 7:50:25 AM permalink
Quote: Doc

A wager placed on that line is typically placed there after the point is established, and it represents a place bet on the point number (since the puck is in the way of setting the chips on the actual number space).

While I know that you can "Place" a bet on that line, as you pointed out, it's ONLY AFTER the point is established. I typically do not play the line unless I'm shooting. I'll place 6/8 or 5/6/8/9. If any of those are the point, they just move the puck to the Don't side. I've NEVER had a dealer advise me to put it on the white line.

Quite frankly, I don't want it on the white line. If it gets hit by the dice, there could be confusion about what the bet was originally.
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June 24th, 2011 at 8:47:25 AM permalink
Doesn't make sense; on the come out, there's no point you could place by laying your chip on the pass "edge." So it's either a PL bet or a no-bet. Obviously, this time it was a PL bet. The dealer was just dicking around with you (as they are wont to do).
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jsantee97
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June 24th, 2011 at 9:10:11 AM permalink
Some people like to make that bet before the come out so they feel part of the camaraderie at the table...even though the bet means nothing until a point is established. I have seen a lot of people play that bet to simply be playing because they want to be in the game and/or don't have the bankroll to bet more than the table min.
teddys
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June 24th, 2011 at 10:11:05 AM permalink
Quote: jsantee97

Some people like to make that bet before the come out so they feel part of the camaraderie at the table...even though the bet means nothing until a point is established. I have seen a lot of people play that bet to simply be playing because they want to be in the game and/or don't have the bankroll to bet more than the table min.

Never seen it. Why would you place the point before the come out and lose the benefit of winning on a natural 7/11? Minimums don't figure into it -- if you can afford to place a number you can afford to play the pass line.
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June 24th, 2011 at 10:48:48 AM permalink
Quote: teddys

Never seen it. Why would you place the point before the come out and lose the benefit of winning on a natural 7/11? Minimums don't figure into it -- if you can afford to place a number you can afford to play the pass line.



Although that is not my betting style, I can understand if a small player wants to retain the option of picking up their bet at any time. However, I also would be confused by someone putting it down before the point is established. Could be they are shooting an angle to have the best of all worlds, get paid on 7/11, have an excuse to not have it swept up if craps, and retain the ability to pick it up if it comes 4 or 10.
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June 24th, 2011 at 10:57:41 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

... I'll place 6/8 or 5/6/8/9. If any of those are the point, they just move the puck to the Don't side. ....


I don't follow that, DJ. Do you mean turn the puck to the "Off side"? That would seem to take your wager out of action. I don't know what the "Don't" side of the puck means. Or what it means to move the puck to the "Don't" side of something else. Can you explain a little more?

Quote: jsantee97

Some people like to make that bet before the come out so they feel part of the camaraderie at the table....

They like to make a wager that has no action so that they feel part of the camaraderie? I don't follow that either. They can be just as much a part of it by standing at the rail and placing the wager later.
teddys
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June 24th, 2011 at 11:03:50 AM permalink
Quote: Doc

I don't follow that, DJ. Do you mean turn the puck to the "Off side"? That would seem to take your wager out of action. I don't know what the "Don't" side of the puck means. Or what it means to move the puck to the "Don't" side of something else. Can you explain a little more?

I was trying to figure that out too. Maybe he means they move the puck off the box towards where the "don't" bets go, so they can make room for his place bet?

Or better just to let him explain ...
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