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mkl654321
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March 30th, 2011 at 5:42:12 PM permalink
Interesting ethical question:

I plopped down a $10 matchplay and a $10 bill on the Pass Line at a casino that will remain nameless. The shooter rolled an immediate come-out eleven. Winner winner buffet dinner! The dealer paid me, I scooped everything up, tipped the dealers $1, and walked away. I met my nephew who was playing the slots, and we went over to the cashier to cash in my chips. Only then did I notice that I had SIX red chips, not four...AND the $10 bill...and I still had the coupon!

Now, obviously, I should have gotten paid four red chips, and they should have taken the matchplay coupon. They had plenty of time to fix the error, though, since I stuck around long enough to throw them a dollar--so it seems like they didn't realize their mistake (or, quite possibly, the dollar toke kept them from acknowledging it?). I didn't really know what to do--going back to the table and handing them $10 and saying, "Hey, you overpaid me five minutes ago" seemed like it would feel really weird. I thought of going back and betting that $10 on a two-way hardway or something, but that didn't seem right either. So I just walked out, and to add insult to injury, I gave the coupon to my nephew, who went back the next day and used it to win a bet at blackjack (the coupon was collected by the dealer).

I feel like I was ethically obligated to go back and return the overpaid amount no matter how much time had elapsed--but the fact remains, I didn't. What would y'all do in a similar situation?
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March 30th, 2011 at 6:48:22 PM permalink
Probably dealer error though it seems strange since dealers know that win or lose that coupon dies after one roll. He paid off from his working stack the correct amount and probably continued paying other players from his red hand as well and simply having done that step he mentally went on to the other actions he would normally have taken without remembering to bring his hand back and scoop up the coupon and the ten. He made the proper payoff but did not follow thru, probably some later distraction.

I'd just keep the money since most dealer mistakes favor the house in the long run, all life is 6:5 against.
DJTeddyBear
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March 30th, 2011 at 7:01:17 PM permalink
It's a tough call, and ethics tend to take a beating in a casino. I doubt you'll find many members who blame you for not returning it.

What do you WANT to do? Keep it or return it? I assume you want to avoid getting the dealers in trouble.


If you'd rather keep it, with the casino's blessing, go around the side of the pit and tell the pit boss what happened, and ask him what you should do.

If you'd rather return it, go to the cage, and tell the manager there the same sting, and offer them the money.
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March 30th, 2011 at 7:21:51 PM permalink
What you lose on the swings you gain on the roundabout.
They will eventually stiff you, if they haven't already.
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dudestupid
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March 30th, 2011 at 8:03:08 PM permalink
If it makes you feel any better...
A few months ago at the Palms my wife and I both put $10 each on the pass line with match-play coupons, and out rolled an 11. After eating, we cashed out, and realized we were $10 short.

So maybe it all works out in the end.
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March 30th, 2011 at 8:09:04 PM permalink
I voted to keep it. I too would feel guilty but I had an experience in the casino where I was paid $5 on a BJ hand I didn't win..when i kindly pointed out the mistake the dealer had to call the floor and everyone acted like I was a bad guy for slowing up the game or anything, even the dealer. I didn't get so much as a thank you so I will never point out another mistake in my favor in a casino.
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March 30th, 2011 at 8:24:27 PM permalink
You're fine. If you really feel guilty, the next time they underpay you, let them keep it. And the next time you get a matchplay you were going to use, don't use it.
mkl654321
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March 30th, 2011 at 8:54:37 PM permalink
Quote: Wavy70

He told me so.



Ah, but what evidence do you have that it was Him talking? Maybe it was just the beer.
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March 30th, 2011 at 8:59:19 PM permalink
Quote: Wavy70

None. Don't forget the Celestial Get Out Of Jail Free Card of the Catholic Church. The act of penance and contrition.
BTW if stuck in the desert w/o a priest you can confess directly to God.



I thought that if you don't make it to confession before you die, then you have to work off the time in purgatory (not to be confused with hell) for your sins since your last confession. According to "Growing Up Catholic" you have to serve 257,890 years for stealing a candy bar. Since I've never been to confession I don't have a the get out of jail card at all.
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March 30th, 2011 at 9:03:22 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Since I've never been to confession I don't have a the get out of jail card at all.



Bummer.

Just don't think you can set my soul to run laps for you :P
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