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tuttigym
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January 14th, 2022 at 2:40:27 PM permalink
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Thanks. I'm not disagreeing with you, and my terminology and choice of words may not be correct. My point is that a DI throw has special characteristics that limit the movement of dice.
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So what, hitting the back wall with those pyramids disintegrates any toss. Proof? Unlike the card counters, DI/DC's have not been banned or targeted by the casinos.

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January 14th, 2022 at 2:42:06 PM permalink
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Sorry, Mr.Mendelson, wrong answer. Those selling this "snake oil" of DC/DI were and are scammers fleecing the desperate, gullible, and easy entrapped to enroll in their classes and seminars for big $$$. Neither they or their "students" have ever been successful at real play, but they can tell some wild, tall tales of fantasy successes.

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This is the first time I fully agree with Tuttigym.

DC/DI “teachers” are like all other snake oil salesmen. If their “product” actually worked, they would be out applying it and making TONS of money. But, since it’s a BS scam, their only way to make any money is by selling the fantasy to suckers
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tuttigym
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January 14th, 2022 at 2:46:37 PM permalink
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This is the first time I fully agree with Tuttigym.


Wow!! One in a row.

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Mission146
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January 14th, 2022 at 3:31:08 PM permalink
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Sorry, Mr.Mendelson, wrong answer. Those selling this "snake oil" of DC/DI were and are scammers fleecing the desperate, gullible, and easy entrapped to enroll in their classes and seminars for big $$$. Neither they or their "students" have ever been successful at real play, but they can tell some wild, tall tales of fantasy successes.

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This is the first time I fully agree with Tuttigym.

DC/DI “teachers” are like all other snake oil salesmen. If their “product” actually worked, they would be out applying it and making TONS of money. But, since it’s a BS scam, their only way to make any money is by selling the fantasy to suckers
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I also agree with Tuttigym. Even if I accept that it's maybe possible, in theory, I very much doubt that there is anyone doing it successfully...much less that you could teach just anyone to do it successfully. The physical precision required would be off the charts and only those who could perform the function at elite levels would have a chance.

That said, Tuttigym is also the one who advocates that combinations of bets that give the player a greater probability of profit on a single roll are enough to cause the house edges of each individual bet to be overcome, so, he's not exactly batting 1.000 here. He also came up with some bizarre rationale for the belief that the PL House Edge is much higher than people claim it is.
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AlanMendelson
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January 14th, 2022 at 5:05:09 PM permalink
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That's right... because you've never been at a table with a true DI.

You've never seen a player do it so you repeat what you've read by others who also have never seen it.

DI is not something supernatural. However it is a very rare skill in part because few have actually learned or practiced it.

If DI were taught in public schools beginning in the fourth grade there would be enough professionals to fill up the tables at casinos. But it's not taught or practiced and few have the basic physical abilities to even make a decent attempt at it.


Sorry, Mr.Mendelson, wrong answer. Those selling this "snake oil" of DC/DI were and are scammers fleecing the desperate, gullible, and easy entrapped to enroll in their classes and seminars for big $$$. Neither they or their "students" have ever been successful at real play, but they can tell some wild, tall tales of fantasy successes.

tuttigym

p.s. I played craps with DeMango who has the most consistent and accurate toss imaginable that I have ever seen, and his success is marginal at best. BTW he told me that he used to practice for hours. Not sure about that now. It has been a while
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Gee, the 3 DIs I played with and the fourth person who I saw play and had a meticulous toss, weren't selling anything. The three just practiced their skill including the cardiac surgeon from Seattle.

These are not people who sell those courses.
AlanMendelson
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January 14th, 2022 at 5:11:28 PM permalink
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Thanks. I'm not disagreeing with you, and my terminology and choice of words may not be correct. My point is that a DI throw has special characteristics that limit the movement of dice.
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So what, hitting the back wall with those pyramids disintegrates any toss. Proof? Unlike the card counters, DI/DC's have not been banned or targeted by the casinos.

tuttigym
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DIs havent been banned?

The dice were taken away from me at both NYNY and MGM for winning but only having the appearance of a DI and at Bellagio I was thrown off a table and the crew refused to pay my winning bets... and again for only appearing to be a DI.
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January 14th, 2022 at 5:15:41 PM permalink
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Thanks. I'm not disagreeing with you, and my terminology and choice of words may not be correct. My point is that a DI throw has special characteristics that limit the movement of dice.
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So what, hitting the back wall with those pyramids disintegrates any toss. Proof? Unlike the card counters, DI/DC's have not been banned or targeted by the casinos.

tuttigym
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DIs havent been banned?

The dice were taken away from me at both NYNY and MGM for winning but only having the appearance of a DI and at Bellagio I was thrown off a table and the crew refused to pay my winning bets... and again for only appearing to be a DI.
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Correct. ‘DIs’ have not been banned. Just like unicorns have not been banned. Your example is perfect. Just because a casino bans someone for being a DI (YOU!) doesn’t mean that someone is a DI, or a unicorn for that matter. This forum is rife with stories of casino personnel not knowing WTF they are doing. You being banned is now added to the list.
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January 14th, 2022 at 5:37:43 PM permalink
I've seen a person or two banned from throwing the dice at my local casino, but I don't know why they were banned, but they could still bet. I've seen DP bettors passing the dice too.
If the dealers take the dice away from you for not hitting the back wall, do they ban you from throwing the dice for the rest of the night, the rest of the week, the rest of the month, or just one circle around the table until it's your turn again?
AlanMendelson
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January 14th, 2022 at 5:47:17 PM permalink
I've written multiple times on the web about what happened to me at NYNY, MGM Grand and Bellagio. There was never a problem of not hitting the back wall or delaying the game.

At Bellagio the issue was the dice didnt bounce off the back wall far enough.

At NYNY the issue was only that I was winning and I was told I could not set the dice. When I arranged my set in just seconds they tossed me.

At MGM Grand I was told I could play but could not shoot.

And I wasn't a DI. I was just lucky.

I reported these events using my own name and years ago using the handle MoneyLA.
Mission146
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January 15th, 2022 at 4:33:23 AM permalink
I can name a huge group of people who believe something that is probably not true, but I won't.

Point being, just because the casinos think that dice setting is viable does not make it viable. I was told that the dice had to hit the back wall, in the air, at Binion's. That's insufficient to prove that dice setting is capable of changing the house edge. As you mentioned, you were just setting the dice and did not believe you were having any real effect.

Can't imagine very many people (if any at all) find themselves databased on the grounds of purely dice setting. Even then, that's just people letting what is, so far, a myth, influence their actions. Not altogether unheard of.
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