Place To Lose on Bubble Craps

I like my 3X odds strategy on the Don't Pass, but the Bubble Craps machine only allows me to bet 2X Odds. So I was thinking of adding an amount equal to the Don't Pass bet to the Place To Lose on the same number, that way I'll have a facsimile of 3X odds.
I haven't tried this bet yet and I'm not sure of what the Bubble Crap pay table on this bet is, or whether you can Buy the Place To Lose bet and get a better return.
According to the Wizard's site,
the 6 & 8 P2L bet would pay 80%,
the 5 & 9 P2L would pay 62.5%
the 4 & 10 P2L would pay 45.45%

So if I had $20 on the DP, $40 on Odds, and $20 on the P2L, the total win would be:
the 6 & 8: $20 + $33.33 + $16 + $80 bet = $69.33 + $80 bet = $149.33
the 5 & 9: $20 + $26.67 + $12.50 + $80 bet = $59.17 + $80 bet = $139.17
the 4 & 10: $20 + $20 + $9.09 + $80 bet = $49.09 + $80 bet = $129.09

If I was on a 3X Odds table and not betting Place to Lose, here's what I'd win:
the 6 & 8: $20 + $50 + $80 bet = $70 + $80 bet = $150
the 5 & 9: $20 + $40 + $80 bet = $60 + $80 bet = $140
the 4 & 10: $20 + $30 + $80 bet = $50 + $80 bet = $130

So with betting Place to Lose as a 3rd Odd on the machine, I'm losing
67 cents on the 6 & 8
83 cents on the 5 & 9
91 cents on the 4 & 10
versus betting 3X odds on the table.
These losing amounts would increase if I wanted to press my odds bet to 4X, 5X, or 6X, on the order of 2X, 3X, or 4X my loss as I press my Place To Lose bet.

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I like my 3X odds strategy

It’s a method not a strategy. There’s no strategy in craps besides avoiding sucker bets

If you make come bets instead of place bets yon will lower the house edge dramatically

For BUBBLE CRAPS MACHINE that only allow 2x odds, why don't you just bet $27 on the DP, $53 on Odds, and $0 on the P2L ? Total bet still remain equal to $80.

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Quote: ChumpChange

I like my 3X odds strategy

It’s a method not a strategy. There’s no strategy in craps besides avoiding sucker bets

If you make come bets instead of place bets yon will lower the house edge dramatically
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I was told that there is strategy to reduce the variance but you have to pay a slightly higher cost.

Part of my 3X odds on the Don't Pass strategy is to switch sides after 2 losses on one shooter, so I'd need 3X odds on the Pass Line.
The Bubble Craps machine only allows me to bet 2X Odds. So I was thinking of adding an amount equal to the Pass Line bet to the Place Bet on the same number, that way I'll have a facsimile of 3X odds.
It pays better to Buy the 4, 5, 9, & 10 on the Bubble Craps.
the 6 & 8 Place Bet would pay 116.67%,
the 5 & 9 Buy Bet would pay 145%
the 4 & 10 Buy Bet would pay 195%

So if I had $20 on the PL, $40 on Odds, and $20 on the PB/Buy Bet, the total win would be:
the 6 & 8: $20 + $48 + $23.33 + $80 bet = $91.33 + $80 bet = $171.33
the 5 & 9: $20 + $60 + $29.00 + $80 bet = $109.00 + $80 bet = $189.00
the 4 & 10: $20 + $80 + $39.00 + $80 bet = $139.00 + $80 bet = $219.00

If I was on a 3X Odds table and not betting Place Bet/Buy Bet, here's what I'd win:
the 6 & 8: $20 + $72 + $80 bet = $92 + $80 bet = $172
the 5 & 9: $20 + $90 + $80 bet = $110 + $80 bet = $190
the 4 & 10: $20 + $120 + $80 bet = $140 + $80 bet = $220

So with betting Place Bet/Buy Bet as a 3rd Odd on the machine, I'm losing
67 cents on the 6 & 8
100 cents on the 5 & 9
100 cents on the 4 & 10
versus betting 3X odds on the table.
These losing amounts would increase if I wanted to press my odds bet to 4X, 5X, or 6X, on the order of 2X, 3X, or 4X my loss as I press my Place Bet/Buy Bet.

If a shooter only makes 2 points, I'm out $240. If the shooter makes a 3rd point, I'm erasing some of my losses. If a shooter hits a 4th point I'm still behind unless a 4 /10 win are involved. I could stop betting on the shooter after the 4th point is made and be ahead. If a shooter hits a 5th point, I start pulling ahead on any number.
This strategy is meant to win on a bunch of point 7-outs (in a row), because I'll raise the odds bets on the Don't Pass 1X each on the 3rd, 4th & 5th win in a row.
At a full table of tourists instead of regulars, it's quite possible to see 10 in a row point 7-outs.

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At a full table of tourists instead of regulars, it's quite possible to see 10 in a row point 7-outs.
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Because tourists seven-out more than regulars ?

Quote: ChumpChange

At a full table of tourists instead of regulars, it's quite possible to see 10 in a row point 7-outs.

LOL…

Check, please.

HEY CC theres alot of IF's here.............. you might be better off to play Bubble Craps Just like regular craps..WITH A FEW LONG SHOT bets here and there ,,,,,,, strategically done.

I won 8 Pass Line bets in a row the other night, and pressed my bets from $2 to $20. After the 7-out, I forgot to change the denomination on my bets and plunked down $20 instead of $2 on the PL. I only had a few seconds to cancel out, change the denom, and rebet the $2. I recovered from being down $30 to being up $35 on that hand. I've been trying many, many different strategies on the Bubble Craps. The main problem is I start betting the don'ts then have a hot hand that puts me further behind. I've got to stick to the right side and do a PL & 1 PB with a progression on each for my meager $60 buy-ins.

I'm working on a 3-Point Molly strategy that has each Come bet equal to half the PL bet. The Come bets then get 3X Odds, and the PL gets 1X Odds. On Bubble Craps with 2X Odds Max, I'd have to add a PB/Buy Bet to the Come bet point to get the third odd in action, but it won't be "on" during Come-out rolls so if the odds bets get returned, I'd have to cancel my PB/Buy bet until a new Come point is established..

I've heard talk at craps tables in the past that buying the 5 or 9 isn't allowed (unless there's a minimum bet that wasn't specified since nobody was betting that high). What minimum bet would that be? Most of the tables around me take the vig upfront, so a $60 buy bet would have a $3 vig. On WinCraps I can set it so the vig is only paid on a win, so a $60 Buy Bet pays $87; if another $3 is required to keep the bet up, it would pay $84, which is what a simple PB 5 or 9 would pay. Maybe the talk at the craps table mentioned a $500 minimum to Buy the 5 or 9 so the vig would be a green chip.
I think the vig upfront makes the Buy Bet redundant and equal to a Place Bet on the 5 or 9.
Bubble Craps pays 1.40X for a PB and 1.45X for a 5 or 9 Buy Bet. So a $50 PB would pay $70 and a $50 Buy Bet would pay $72.50. The vig is taken on the win, and makes it a better game than the tables around here. But tables have better than 2X odds so I could move to a table and just take 3X odds if my Come bets are gonna be at least $15. I guess it comes down to whether I'll be the sole shooter at the machines or at the tables when I show up.

System not strategy.

Increase your flat bet amount instead of adding PB/Buy bets (that have much worse house edge)

I think it is just a personal preference whether to call it a system or a strategy or a system strategy, (like is it soda or pop or soda pop?).
Googling any of them gives results in the tens of millions.

Strategy implies you have some control over the outcome by improving your skills. analyzing your opponent or playing a certain way. There is strategy in chess, poker and basketball

There is no “strategy” in games like craps, roulette and baccarat. The house edge is what it is and you have no control of it. You know almost exactly what your loss will be over the long term. No such thing as a good or bad player

I'm strategizing my invented systems that no one knows about and I might throw them away within a week.

you said it yourself ACE2 strategy means playing a certain way...I and alot of craps players play a certain way...SO is that a strategy ???

I said it’s a strategy if it can control the outcome. You have no control of the outcome in craps

For 2 nights in a row, I've only had 2 shooters each night that became Hot Shooters that made 5+ PL hits per turn over 3 hours per night. I was only betting the PL using my progression hoping for a few lucky breaks but all I saw was an absolute dearth of PL winning for long periods of time. I 'd be down 5 PL bets over half an hour, and that would go on for 60 to 90 minutes so I'd be down 10 to 15 PL bets before a Hot Shooter came along and it would take 2 of them to get back to even. Meanwhile I'm throwing every number except for my PL numbers. Of course when I switch sides and bet DP, suddenly the tables turn and I'm a Hot Shooter again. This game tries my patience too much.
With my new strategy, I only have to win 15 bets ahead to call it a win and triple my buy-in, so if I jump on the the DP train and the machine stays cold, I'll have a better chance of getting to +15 bets. But I always get whacked on come-out 7-11's so I'm thinking I need to do 2X or 3X odds on the DP. I've moved on to betting Place to Lose on the 6/8 and Laying the other numbers for my extra odds bets above 2X Odds. I'm going to look up on the machine what they pay tonight. and report back. I'm sure I can figure it out, but this is the first post Google came up with for me to checkout and it didn't explain what Lay bets pay on the 4, 5 ,9, 10.