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AxelWolf
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October 10th, 2021 at 1:57:32 AM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

I never discussed my son and his five video poker jackpots on this site until you brought it up.

My son's (false) statement was discussed about FIVE YEARS AGO on VCT.

YOU Axelwolf brought it up here trying to discredit me. But FIVE YEARS AGO on VCT my son made it clear about the single line royals and the other wins of about $4000 each resembling a single line royal.

MY SON HAS NEVER POSTED ON THIS FORUM AND THERE WAS NO REASON FOR ME TO BRING IT UP HERE.

What short memory you have about editing your posts to delete comments.

Stop trolling me.
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And if I(or someone) can prove differently can we then safely assume that all your other gambling-related claims are incorrect as well?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
AlanMendelson
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October 10th, 2021 at 2:02:58 AM permalink
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I can't remember everything, but here are some, perhaps the total...seen 18 yo's in a row, 20 losses in a row BJ, son 5 Royals in a day and lost, some super-duper DI guy.
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I'll respond.

18 yos in a row: I saw it.

20 losses in a row at BJ. Yep, I was playing $1 blackjack at the Sahara. I lost $20.

My son and the 5 royals: my son gave me the wrong info. He did have five jackpots of about $4000 each. He confirmed he had a net loss.

I've seen in my life three and maybe four craps players who I believe have a true controlled throw. That's all I ever said.

Stop trolling me.
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I'm not trolling you. You seem to have come here to defend people who make imprabable claims.
I'm attempting to show that one should be very leery in believing gamblers when they make improbable claims.

Yes, you want to water down the 5 Royal thing into a simple mistake reporting what your son told you. Not so fast, It didn't quite go down that way. Without going back(yet) and showing all the times it was repeated, discussed, debated, and called out over the years,( remember, you got nasty with me regarding this and you were willing to bet 5k that it happened.)

How is it that a successful investigative reporter can't pick up the phone/email/in-person/PM(IIRC your son had even been participating on that forum at some point before the truth came out) and simply ask his son for details? <<Mindboggling.
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There you go again Axelwolf.

Well for the record I was a member of this forum before Mdawg and it's wrong to call me someone who is here to defend people who make improbable claims.

You continue to bring up information about posts from another forum which I never discussed here until you brought them up. You persist in using false information from my son (which I believed as a father should believe) to try to discredit me.

Isnt it wonderful Axelwolf or whatever your real name is to go after (troll, accuse, torment) someone who not only posts with his real name but is a public figure? What pleasure and sense of accomplishment that must give you!

Stop trolling me.
AxelWolf
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October 10th, 2021 at 2:24:07 AM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson


What short memory you have about editing your posts to delete comments.


Please enlighten me, I've made quite a few posts, I have no doubt I have edited and deleted some( I have edited many), however, you're making it sound as if I have done so for some nefarious reason, or in some attempt to hide some comments. That would be unusual for me to do so.

If you are talking about a post where I responded to Wellbush, I honestly didn't think I posted it before I deleted it. If That's what you're talking about 😴. I wanted to clarify what he was talking about before I responded(I even saved what I wrote so I could respond I'm if he answered, I still intend to) Certainly wouldn't have been up there for very long at all, perhaps SOME 60 seconds.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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October 10th, 2021 at 2:24:08 AM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

Alan Mendelson's claim of having seen 18 consecutive yos (elevens) at craps



I've split this off from the 60 win's thread as it is really a separate topic.
For those visiting this topic for the first time, it relates to a claim by Alan that he witnessed 11 being rolled 18 times consecutively at a live craps table. He originally claimed it on or before Jan 2016 and it was discussed to death in this thread

He still asserts that he absolutely did witness the event.

Gordon has tried to present a case for Alan's account to be literally true. A noble effort, but he seems to overlook certain possibilities in deference to Alan. Not meant as a personal insult, but we might note that Alan is human.

I do not for one second believe or even suspect that Alan or anyone else ever actually witnessed 18 Yos in a row.
I also accept that Alan is NOT deliberately lying, or trying to deceive in any way.

We may draw our own conclusions about the credibility of the claim, but I WARN. personal attacks on Alan or anyone in this thread WILL result in suspensions. It happened before. It will happen again. I do recognise how it's almost impossible to challenge the claim without making, possibly derogatory, observations about Alan, but that's all the rules allow.

Post thoughtfully in this thread, or not at all.

Rule #1. Absolutely no personal insults. If you disagree with another forum member, politely attack the writing, not the writer. This policy also applies to family members of forum members, but is considered a more severe infraction, especially female family members. (Amended 2/23/14 to not allow personal insults at all. The previous policy was more lenient. Amended again 1/31/19 to include family members.)
Beware. The earth is NOT flat. Hit and run is not a winning strategy: Pressing into trends IS not a winning strategy: Progressives are not a winning strategy: Don't Buy It! .Don't even take it for free.
AxelWolf
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October 10th, 2021 at 2:31:59 AM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

You said this. "I never discussed my son and his five video poker jackpots on this site until you brought it up."

Do you stand by that statement, yes or no?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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October 10th, 2021 at 2:32:27 AM permalink
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What short memory you have about editing your posts to delete comments.


I wanted to clarify what he was talking about before I responded(I even saved what I wrote so I could respond I'm if he answered, I still intend to) Certainly wouldn't have been up there for very long at all, perhaps SOME 60 seconds.
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It's perfectly acceptable to edit posts within the available window of opportunity, to correct errors or even to redact technical rule breaches. If a moderator notices or quotes the errant part of the post, then that is the misfortune of the poster, but it didn't happen this time.

Minor rebuke to Axel for importing the 5 royal's claim in from that other forum, but it was salient, addressing Gordon's assertion that Alan is not known for a history of making outrageous claims.
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AlanMendelson
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October 10th, 2021 at 2:37:04 AM permalink
Thank you for writing the caution above, Once Dear. But why don't you just put an end to this. I have.

I am being attacked because I can believe MDawg's claims. I guess I have an open mind. As a journalist I was taught to have an open mind. I was also taught to report and not to judge. I also know that things happen that not only push the envelope but break the envelope.

As an example, who ever thought casinos in Las Vegas would close their doors for weeks at a time? Well... no one did which is why many Vegas casinos weren't built with doors that could NOT be locked!

I am disappointed that the moderators have allowed discussions from another forum to be brought here for no other reason than to try to discredit me. And these discussions in another forum have NOTHING to do about the 18 yos AND NOTHING to do with my position about MDawg's posts. These discussions from another forum were ONLY made here to discredit, belittle and dishonor me.
AxelWolf
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October 10th, 2021 at 2:42:08 AM permalink
Quote: OnceDear



Gordon has tried to present a case for Alan's account to be literally true. ]

This was attempted many times. One must go back and read. Alan seems to resist anything other than some random roller legitimately rolled 18 yo's in a row.

IE: Alan, Perhaps the dice were loaded.
Only then was it mentioned that the stick man rattled them around a bit with the stick.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
AxelWolf
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October 10th, 2021 at 2:50:44 AM permalink
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Minor rebuke to Axel for importing the 5 royal's claim in from that other forum

Ya think?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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October 10th, 2021 at 2:53:39 AM permalink
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What short memory you have about editing your posts to delete comments.


I wanted to clarify what he was talking about before I responded(I even saved what I wrote so I could respond I'm if he answered, I still intend to) Certainly wouldn't have been up there for very long at all, perhaps SOME 60 seconds.
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It's perfectly acceptable to edit posts within the available window of opportunity, to correct errors or even to redact technical rule breaches. If a moderator notices or quotes the errant part of the post, then that is the misfortune of the poster, but it didn't happen this time.

Minor rebuke to Axel for importing the 5 royal's claim in from that other forum, but it was salient, addressing Gordon's assertion that Alan is not known for a history of making outrageous claims.
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Excuse me, Mr Moderator. Do you think repeating what your son tells you is making an outrageous claim?

Do you even know what that original discussion was about? No you don't.

The original discussion was about how could someone lose all of their winnings after a big win. The point was my son had $20,000 of W2Gs but finished the night with a net loss. THAT is what the discussion was really about.

For the record AGAIN my son came over to me after a night of playing (we were in different parts of Caesars) and told me he hit five single line royals of $4000 each but lost it all because after each royal he moved up in denomination.

In reality he only hit, if I remember now, two $4000 royals but he hit three other pays of about $4k each.

I did NOT challenge my son. He's my son, I'm his father, over the number of royals. He gave me the wrong info.

But the point of the story didnt change: he still finished the night with a net loss.

So did I make an outrageous claim? No I didnt.

Neither did I make an outrageous claim when I lost 20 $1 hands playing blackjack or when I said I saw three and possibly four craps shooters who I thought had controlled throws. What's outrageous about saying those things?

What's outrageous is that I've been insulted and trolled.

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