Phanthum
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August 20th, 2021 at 7:29:27 AM permalink
So with “right way” bets there’s a method or order or progression to the bets: On a $5 table you’d always want to have an even amount for odds on the 5/9 or you always place the 6/8 in increments of $6.

What are the progressions for dark side bets? If I want to lay odds for the 6/8 or 5/9 what are the increments in which I could do so?

Thanks!
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August 20th, 2021 at 7:34:19 AM permalink
Quote: Phanthum

So with “right way” bets there’s a method or order or progression to the bets: On a $5 table you’d always want to have an even amount for odds on the 5/9 or you always place the 6/8 in increments of $6.

What are the progressions for dark side bets? If I want to lay odds for the 6/8 or 5/9 what are the increments in which I could do so?

Thanks!

at a 3/4/5 table all the dark side odds are 6x. They appropriately pay 3/4/5 when you win.
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August 20th, 2021 at 8:37:46 AM permalink
A $5 DP bet with $36 odds (or $30, or $24, or $18, or $12, or $6 odds too).
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August 20th, 2021 at 10:48:22 AM permalink
Thank you!! That makes sense! Is it always $6 increments for all DP odds or does it vary by 4/10,5/9,6/8? Thank you!
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August 20th, 2021 at 1:29:01 PM permalink
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Thank you!! That makes sense! Is it always $6 increments for all DP odds or does it vary by 4/10,5/9,6/8? Thank you!



To make sure you get full payment on your dark side odds: Odds on the 4/10 should be even. Odds on the 5/9 should be divisible by 3. Odds on the 6/8 should be divisible by 6.

There’s no rule that things should be in $6 increments. But since 6 meets all three tests (6 is even and divisible by 3 and 6), it’s a safe multiple for you to use on any of the point numbers.

If a table is 10x odds across the board (as opposed to 3/4/5) your max dark side odds should be: 20x on the 4/10; 15x on the 5/9; and 12x on the 6/8. Because those are what would return 10x on the win.*

*I have never played dark side at a 10x table, so this may be wrong. But it’s the logic from 3/4/5 odds applied to 10x.
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August 20th, 2021 at 1:36:25 PM permalink
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To make sure you get full payment on your dark side odds: Odds on the 4/10 should be even. Odds on the 5/9 should be divisible by 3. Odds on the 6/8 should be divisible by 6.

There’s no rule that things should be in $6 increments. But since 6 meets all three tests (6 is even and divisible by 3 and 6), it’s a safe multiple for you to use on any of the point numbers.

If a table is 10x odds across the board (as opposed to 3/4/5) your max dark side odds should be: 20x on the 4/10; 15x on the 5/9; and 12x on the 6/8. Because those are what would return 10x on the win.*

*I have never played dark side at a 10x table, so this may be wrong. But it’s the logic from 3/4/5 odds applied to 10x.



He is 100% correct.

At my local casino, there is a guy that no dealers or players like. He is a moron and doesn't know any of the payouts for the don't bets. He also constantly hussle's players for tips. So when he is on my side of the table, I will lay weird amounts like $42 or $54 just to mess him up and make him work. When he goes to break the other dealers always get a kick out of it. I also make sure that I do my tips while he is at break.
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February 15th, 2022 at 3:52:26 PM permalink
They loot peoples who are new to betting
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February 21st, 2022 at 11:19:17 PM permalink
After watching hours of Youtube Videos learning how to play craps and using the Wizards computer game simulations, most of you know I tried my luck playing live a few weeks ago. I had to tweak my strategy a few times after a couple of losing sessions. I've played a total of 7 live sessions, and the last three, I'm on a $7100 run. $1800, $2500 & $2800 wins.. All playing the Don't. However, the swings are huge. The key is surviving the long rolls!
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February 25th, 2022 at 6:31:29 AM permalink
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After watching hours of Youtube Videos learning how to play craps and using the Wizards computer game simulations, most of you know I tried my luck playing live a few weeks ago. I had to tweak my strategy a few times after a couple of losing sessions. I've played a total of 7 live sessions, and the last three, I'm on a $7100 run. $1800, $2500 & $2800 wins.. All playing the Don't. However, the swings are huge. The key is surviving the long rolls!
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That is a great run!! How are you betting? Table minimum or higher? Sticking to 3,4,5x odds tables or 10x? What is your strategy?
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February 25th, 2022 at 7:03:52 AM permalink
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Quote: unJon

To make sure you get full payment on your dark side odds: Odds on the 4/10 should be even. Odds on the 5/9 should be divisible by 3. Odds on the 6/8 should be divisible by 6.

There’s no rule that things should be in $6 increments. But since 6 meets all three tests (6 is even and divisible by 3 and 6), it’s a safe multiple for you to use on any of the point numbers.

If a table is 10x odds across the board (as opposed to 3/4/5) your max dark side odds should be: 20x on the 4/10; 15x on the 5/9; and 12x on the 6/8. Because those are what would return 10x on the win.*

*I have never played dark side at a 10x table, so this may be wrong. But it’s the logic from 3/4/5 odds applied to 10x.



He is 100% correct.

At my local casino, there is a guy that no dealers or players like. He is a moron and doesn't know any of the payouts for the don't bets. He also constantly hussle's players for tips. So when he is on my side of the table, I will lay weird amounts like $42 or $54 just to mess him up and make him work. When he goes to break the other dealers always get a kick out of it. I also make sure that I do my tips while he is at break.
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Most casinos poop their tips sp that gesture accomplishes little.
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February 25th, 2022 at 8:09:02 AM permalink
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Quote: Vegasrider

After watching hours of Youtube Videos learning how to play craps and using the Wizards computer game simulations, most of you know I tried my luck playing live a few weeks ago. I had to tweak my strategy a few times after a couple of losing sessions. I've played a total of 7 live sessions, and the last three, I'm on a $7100 run. $1800, $2500 & $2800 wins.. All playing the Don't. However, the swings are huge. The key is surviving the long rolls!
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That is a great run!! How are you betting? Table minimum or higher? Sticking to 3,4,5x odds tables or 10x? What is your strategy?
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Playing the Don’t allows you to lay 6X behind every number. I won’t get into specifics on exactly how I have been doing it but 99% of the players do not have the discipline to do what I’m doing because my system is too much of a grind and very boring. My sessions average about 8hrs and requires a $1000-1200 buy in and willing to dig a little deeper if you encounter a real long roll. I’m not sold on my system yet because my sample size is too small but a real good craps dealer who’s been working for decades had said my system is one of the best he’s seen and makes him want to go play it. I’m planning to put in a couple more sessions this weekend, let’s see how it goes.
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February 25th, 2022 at 12:36:45 PM permalink
Good luck and keep us posted.
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February 25th, 2022 at 1:33:09 PM permalink
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To make sure you get full payment on your dark side odds: Odds on the 4/10 should be even. Odds on the 5/9 should be divisible by 3. Odds on the 6/8 should be divisible by 6.

There’s no rule that things should be in $6 increments. But since 6 meets all three tests (6 is even and divisible by 3 and 6), it’s a safe multiple for you to use on any of the point numbers.

If a table is 10x odds across the board (as opposed to 3/4/5) your max dark side odds should be: 20x on the 4/10; 15x on the 5/9; and 12x on the 6/8. Because those are what would return 10x on the win.*

*I have never played dark side at a 10x table, so this may be wrong. But it’s the logic from 3/4/5 odds applied to 10x.



He is 100% correct.

At my local casino, there is a guy that no dealers or players like. He is a moron and doesn't know any of the payouts for the don't bets. He also constantly hussle's players for tips. So when he is on my side of the table, I will lay weird amounts like $42 or $54 just to mess him up and make him work. When he goes to break the other dealers always get a kick out of it. I also make sure that I do my tips while he is at break.
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Most casinos poop their tips sp that gesture accomplishes little.
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I know they share tips.

Here's what it accomplishes...

I tip because I like all the other dealers. He doesn't know I tip. He thinks I'm a jerk.

The other dealers don't like him, so they get a kick out of it.
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