Defeating the $25 Table Minimum

Quote: odiousgambit

you can always count on ChumpChange to solve the problem

The rest of us have learned a new way to insult a Jew. Little did I know you could fling 'pot-roasting' at them and they would lose it! Odd that it doesn't show up in this list of 25,

https://tasty.co/article/deenashanker/make-bubbe-proud

Meatloaf is even worse

I lovd meatloaf as a kid, but I have not had it in years. Everytime I think of making one, I end up making a meat sauce and some pasta instead. Luckily, I am not in the postion of having to stretch a pound of ground beef into dinner for five.

I am 1/4 Jewish and I was not remotely offended by the comment about pot-roast, and I just did not interpret it as a personal insult.

However, I do agree that the OP's endless posts in this thread were strangely defiant, oppositional and non-responsive and suspending him was a constructive move.

MR TUTTIGYM If this is your method of play why do you need any more different ways to play on a $25 table ??? It looks like you already have a working method ..Just stick with IT..I thought you were looking for a cheaper way to play, which my recommendation is...

He's got $500 to buy-in with. He could bet $25 on the PL, and when he's 5 bets ahead, at $625 or above, he could add a $25 odds bet.
I'd break it down to two $250 buy-ins and add a $25 odds bet at $375 or above.
If there's a $10 table around, you could have five $100 buy-ins and add $10 odds at $150.

Quote: odiousgambit

Mr. Tuttigym, I think I finally know where you are coming from. The HE of Craps on the line bets is often remarked on to be one of the lowest edges of any bet in the casino. You seem to feel this is emphasized too much, that we would be better off just shutting up, because what you have seen over the years is people getting clobbered at Craps

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I would not ask anyone to "shut-up." I feel that the emphasis is misquided. The fraction the 495 possibilities produce is accurate. The conversion of that fraction to a decimal number and thus a percentile is accurate. However, the inference that that percentile is in actuality a HA/HE mathematical "certainty" as offered by the "establishment," is unproven in the real world of play. Again, a real concern would be the "interpretation" by those less educated, those who are gullible, and those who will not question.

Quote: odiousgambit

Some are taking your comments to mean you don't believe the math. I don't think that's true. 

Some are taking your comments as a subtle attempt to troll. I don't thinks so, but I have to admit I think this thread should have died a long time ago.

Correct, and, perhaps, but now some are getting back to the original intent of the thread with suggestions and ideas.

Quote: odiousgambit

I think you are just saying the low edge on the pass line isn't going to save you. For the most part, if someone becomes a Craps player, you feel such a person better be prepared to forget about 'low house edge' . It has little reality to it as an experience you will get at a session or many sessions. When posters also say the same thing, you feel they still don't get it when they won't also say the 1.41% edge has little practical meaning.
 

One reason I have come to this conclusion is you have asked me a lot of questions about the math elsewhere, and I don't get a retort that you don't buy it when I try to explain what I know [which has limits]

Am I right about this?

Yes, thank you for your insight. It is greatly appreciated.
tuttigym

Quote: Ace2

Seems like you need to work on your basic probability and statistics knowledge.

If you were to make one billion PL bets, you can be about 99.9% confident that your loss will be 1.41% of the total amount you wagered. Flat betting of course

Your "example," in real world terms, can not be verified, so I personally and I am not sure anyone with real craps experience, would be "confident" of a 1.41% loss.

Quote: Ace2

And regarding the HE varying after a point is established, you could say the same thing about blackjack, for instance. The overall HE is about half a percent but if the dealer is showing an Ace and you get dealt a hard 16, it's a lot higher for that hand. Why don't you just bet Don't Pass then...once a point is established you have the edge

I do not want to seem rude, but "21" is much less complicated with only one wager at risk, so that contemplating a HE/HA is not that important, I believe. The suggestion regarding the Don't Pass bet is valid and could work, but again as you yourself would say, "no guarantees." There are always pitfalls to any extended play using the same strategy repeatedly.

tuttigym

Quote: Doc

Those of us who have studied statistics and probability theory understand this stuff about craps. We also understand the outcome probability for the flip of a fair coin is 50% heads and 50% tails.

But c'mon, folks, tuttigym has pointed out to us that if that were really true, then every 10 flips of that coin would result in exactly 5 heads and 5 tails. Likewise, every 50 flips would result in exactly 25 heads and 25 tails, and every 5 flips would result in exactly 2.5 heads and 2.5 tails.

Now, we know that can't be, so -- based on tuttigym's expert guidance -- it seams we must abandon the stupidity of expecting a fair coin flip to result in 50% heads and 50% tails. All of that was just absurd mathmaticians talking.

Mr. Doc: You may know statistics and probabilities, but your ability to read minds needs some work and well as perhaps comprehension skills. I have NEVER used the "coin flipping" example in any of my posts nor will I. Here is a mathematical craps "certainty": The 7 will be rolled once in every 6 tosses (16.67%), however, there are NO guarantees it will always occur or occur consecutively or even in any number of hands played, but we have all witnessed such at any given craps session.

tuttigym

Quote: Calder

I'm sure the next response will crush Tutti with the overwhelming weight of mathematics and the thread will be resolved to everyone's satisfaction.

I am never "crushed" by someone's rhetoric; I first consider the source and then evaluate.

tuttigym

Quote: Wizard

Personal insult/trolling -- three days.

Mr. W.: I am Jewish. First, define THE "insult." Second, I do not know what "trolling" is, so help me with that. Next, you need to stop all references to chicken soup, pastrami, Kosher (as in "that's not Kosher"), and chopped liver. I told a close black friend of mine about your sanction, and he suggested that fried chicken, corn bread, BarBQ, and watermelon could also be misinterpreted.

I will accept your apology and you owe me three days.

BTW do not let Don Rickles ever to post here even he is not with us.

tuttigym