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June 27th, 2021 at 2:44:47 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

Tuttigym you talk about the reality of craps. So here's the reality of craps.

Craps is a negative expectation game. The more you play the more you are expected to lose.

No betting formula or scheme will make craps a positive expectation game.

Every hedge bet only adds to the likelihood that the house will win. Even if you hedge a final bet in Bonus craps or the Firebet you are giving the house more of your money as you can't win both the hedge and the final bet.

The free odds are paid at true odds but are linked to the odds of winning the point. Hence free odds is a misnomer; they aren't free at all. But the odds bet is paid at true odds, even if they are at a disadvantage of winning.

You will not change these truths no matter how you bet. Your only chance to win at craps is to be able to throw the dice to improve the chance that favorable numbers will appear. Betting strategies and schemes will fail.

Deal with it.


Mr. Mendelson: YOU need to change the pronouns in your post from "you" to "I" as well as the verb conjugations from "are" to "am." That would be more appropriate.

The gospel by Mendelson needs to be heeded by all craps player participants of this forum to save their bank accounts, sanity, and retirement income.

Other than the perceived fact that you are going to lose at the tables, can you offer anything positive.

That is something you need to deal with

tuttigym.
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June 27th, 2021 at 2:50:25 PM permalink
Are you blind?

He offered you something positive when he wrote: "Your only chance to win at craps is to be able to throw the dice to improve the chance that favorable numbers will appear."

Eureka!

Who knew that you can control / influence dem bones simply by adjusting your throw ... what a novel idea!

Follow his advice and you'll soon need a wheelbarrow to haul your winnings out through the maw of the casino.
"What, me worry?"
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June 27th, 2021 at 3:03:58 PM permalink
Quote: tuttigym

Mr. Mendelson: YOU need to change the pronouns in your post from "you" to "I" as well as the verb conjugations from "are" to "am." That would be more appropriate.

The gospel by Mendelson needs to be heeded by all craps player participants of this forum to save their bank accounts, sanity, and retirement income.

Other than the perceived fact that you are going to lose at the tables, can you offer anything positive.

That is something you need to deal with

tuttigym.



Let me sum it up for you: you can't beat the game of craps.
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June 27th, 2021 at 4:15:42 PM permalink
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I can't keep arguing like I do, but I said early in this thread you are an HA denier, and no amount of math will work for you.



Mr. Chumpc: What I am denying is the bogus (my interpretation) 1.41% HA of the PL bet. So stay with me and answer these simple questions:
If the point is 4 or 10, is the house's advantage in winning the PL bet: a) greater than 1.41%; b) less than 1.41%; or c) equal to 1.41%?

If the point is 5 or 9, is the house's advantage of winning the PL bet a) greater than 1.41%; b) less than 1.41%; or c) equal to 1.41%?

If the point is 6 or 8, is the house's advantage of winning the PL bet a) greater than 1.41%; b) less than 1.41%; or c) equal to 1.41%?

I will await your answer(s) and then comment.

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June 27th, 2021 at 4:24:32 PM permalink
We must realize there are two cycles to this game. Come out and point cycle. You have a 8-4 advantage on the come out. The point cycle offers disadvantages of 5-6, or 4-6, or 3-6. Add them all up and you have a disadvantage of 1.41%. You cannot compare apples to oranges to grapefruits!

How many here went through this argument a dozen years ago or so? Heeees baaaaaaack!

And again thanks for the tee shirt you gave me many years ago! Still shoot at The Beau?
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June 27th, 2021 at 7:55:17 PM permalink
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We must realize there are two cycles to this game. Come out and point cycle. You have a 8-4 advantage on the come out. The point cycle offers disadvantages of 5-6, or 4-6, or 3-6. Add them all up and you have a disadvantage of 1.41%. You cannot compare apples to oranges to grapefruits!


Hey DeMango: Hope you are well. Have not been staying at the Beau in about 4 years as my Host, who was a fraternity brother, left for greener pastures. There is no comparison here. You just illustrated the true picture of the game by isolating the "two cycles." During that second and most prominent portion is where losing accelerates. One cannot deny that fact. Those "disadvantages" above mathematically offer HA's of from 16+% to 50%. That is my message and has been throughout. You and the others want to combine the two cycles to 1.41% have at it, but unless the full story is related of the two distinct cycles, "Establishment" participants will continue to mislead the novice, the truly uninformed, and the gullible.

Quote: DeMango} And again thanks for the tee shirt you gave me many years ago! Still shoot at The Beau? [/q



You still playing crapless craps?? Mississippi Stud? Are practicing "controlling" and dice "influencing"? Have you washed the shirt yet?
I wish you well.

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June 27th, 2021 at 8:01:38 PM permalink
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You and the others want to combine the two cycles to 1.41% have at it, but unless the full story is related of the two distinct cycles (...)



Are you placing pass line wagers after the point is established?

If not, then your chances of winning are the combination of both "cycles".
May the cards fall in your favor.
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June 27th, 2021 at 8:28:42 PM permalink
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Who knew that you can control / influence dem bones simply by adjusting your throw ... what a novel idea!


MrV: Are you a proponent of "controlling" and dice "influencing"? How is that going for you?

A short anecdote for you:

Several years ago, I was a participant on the Scoblete forum. Those folks tried to convince me to take their classes and "learn" the "techniques". I was positive it was a sham and told them so. There came a time when a group of about 12 or so "controllers" had a get together in Biloxi, and they were nice enough to have me join them. I did. These guys were serious about the "skill" and most all practiced religiously on their own tables at home spending hours and hundreds of practice tosses daily.

That first night we all met at the table. The results were stunning. Each player had their turn with the dice twice during that session. Only one of the 24 turns had a roll of more than one point conversion. The rest had a 7 out within 7 tosses after their point was established. Only one shooter converted three points and had a significant hand of about 21 throws. Their collective disappointment was heavy. But they were resilient and remained upbeat. A really great group and, ultimately for me, a wonderful memory of a friendly gathering.

I left the next day, so I can't tell you of their results,

So MrV, I am NOT blind; I am just not convinced that "controlling" works to any degree better than just shaking them up and tossing them down the felt aand hitting that back titted wall.

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June 27th, 2021 at 8:39:11 PM permalink
Quote: tuttigym

MrV: Are you a proponent of "controlling" and dice "influencing"? How is that going for you?

A short anecdote for you:

Several years ago, I was a participant on the Scoblete forum. Those folks tried to convince me to take their classes and "learn" the "techniques". I was positive it was a sham and told them so. There came a time when a group of about 12 or so "controllers" had a get together in Biloxi, and they were nice enough to have me join them. I did. These guys were serious about the "skill" and most all practiced religiously on their own tables at home spending hours and hundreds of practice tosses daily.

That first night we all met at the table. The results were stunning. Each player had their turn with the dice twice during that session. Only one of the 24 turns had a roll of more than one point conversion. The rest had a 7 out within 7 tosses after their point was established. Only one shooter converted three points and had a significant hand of about 21 throws. Their collective disappointment was heavy. But they were resilient and remained upbeat. A really great group and, ultimately for me, a wonderful memory of a friendly gathering.

I left the next day, so I can't tell you of their results,

So MrV, I am NOT blind; I am just not convinced that "controlling" works to any degree better than just shaking them up and tossing them down the felt aand hitting that back titted wall.

tuttigym



Then you cannot challenge the math of the game. Craps is negative expectation. Deal with it.
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June 27th, 2021 at 8:39:32 PM permalink
Quote: Dieter

Are you placing pass line wagers after the point is established?

If not, then your chances of winning are the combination of both "cycles".



Mr Dieter: As I related before, I use the Doey/Don't so my wagering depends on the point established, how the table is playing, and, get ready to pounce, my gut feeling. Sometimes I do not play the hand at all simply because the shooter had poor outcomes in previous tries. Have I guessed wrong? Absolutely, but I have also guessed correctly. And the chances of losing are the same combination. There is NO right answer. I am well aware.

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