sltploppy
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February 1st, 2020 at 1:09:20 AM permalink
I was at my local this evening and saw a new type of Craps table installation that I had never seen before. Basically it was laid out like a traditional craps table however it uses no chips. Each table position has a screen and bill acceptor (like a slot machine) where you put in your money along with where you enter your players card (also like a slot machine). You use the screen in order to make your bets (pass line/odds, come bets, place bets, any center action, field, etc.). The playing surface itself looks like glass and has a traditional layout display to it. The game does use physical dice and rules for shooting are same as traditional game. The only person working the game is the stick and they are positioned where a box person would be at in a traditional game (given this you can probably see the casino incentive for this install). I was wondering if anyone is familiar with this install and some of the rules:

1) Will the casino treat it like a true table game (it does use physical dice and players are the ones shooting the dice)?
2) If not, will they treat it like Bubble Craps or Shoot to Win meaning any payouts (original bet plus win) equal to or greater than $1,200 is treated like a hand pay and triggers a W2G?

Thanks in advance for any responses.
SOOPOO
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February 1st, 2020 at 9:15:12 AM permalink
I’d bet like table game. But certainly doesn’t hurt to ask before you play. Saves a lot on manpower. I wonder if it will catch on.
rsactuary
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February 1st, 2020 at 9:16:46 AM permalink
WinStar has one. Haven't really watched. Real dice were used. One stickman.
onebok
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February 1st, 2020 at 10:48:33 AM permalink
They had one of these tables at the casino ( the old O'Shea's casino location?) that the Cromwell replaced, across the street from Bally's.
It wasn't popular and many said that the game was very much slower than real craps and difficult for one stickman to handle.
Ayecarumba
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February 1st, 2020 at 1:23:11 PM permalink
Is the bottom of the tub solid plexiglass? How does it prevent sliding the dice so they don’t tumble?

Does the stick lock the player terminals and call “No More Bets”, or is it on a timer like Bubble craps?

Does the machine “read” the results, or does the stick need to enter the results of each throw?

How do tips work?
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February 1st, 2020 at 3:07:58 PM permalink
This (cued) video discusses the table surface...



It looks fun, like playing craps in a science fiction film.
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unJon
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February 1st, 2020 at 5:15:06 PM permalink
Quote: Gialmere

This (cued) video discusses the table surface...



It looks fun, like playing craps in a science fiction film.



Cuts down on Dealer errors. Wonder if they use quarters to make the $25 buy bets not a better deal.
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August 19th, 2020 at 5:08:26 PM permalink
Breaking news, got the text 90 minutes ago. This table has been installed in New Palace casino in Biloxi. Will give a trip report next week. One dealer, all bets on personal screen, no chips, 12 foot table.
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August 19th, 2020 at 8:00:55 PM permalink
i wonder what the bounce looks like compared to a felt table
onebok
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August 20th, 2020 at 7:31:43 AM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba

Is the bottom of the tub solid plexiglass? How does it prevent sliding the dice so they don’t tumble?


It is some form of plexiglass that has enough friction to cause the dice to tumble rather than slide. However, there is some sliding possible from what I've seen.
The bounce is more like that of a very hard felt surface than any kind of softer/bouncy table surfaces out there.

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Does the stick lock the player terminals and call “No More Bets”, or is it on a timer like Bubble craps?


It's on a timer, snooze you lose. If you place the wrong bet I'm not sure what the procedure is for stopping the sequence and getting the timer to start over and allow a bet readjustment. Unlike traditional craps, you can lose a lot of money by moving that black chip with a clumsy fingertip to the wrong prop bet, etc. If that happens, do you yell at the one dealer or the shooter to "STOP, I NEED TO REMOVE A BET!!" ???

If you're playing alone, it is annoying to have to wait for the timers to do their thing before you are allowed to shoot.

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Does the machine “read” the results, or does the stick need to enter the results of each throw?


Good question, I didn't notice. Maybe someone else can say for sure. If the die lands so it is partially on the pyramid wall and part on the plexiglass, would a machine be able to correctly determine on which plane(result) the die would come to rest?

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How do tips work?


I didn't see a screen button but the screen is highly cluttered with all the betting stuff and I may have just missed it.

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