Lucca3927
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February 8th, 2018 at 10:52:34 AM permalink
Hi. I just had a question about getting no comps via the crap table? Is it true that your odds bets have no bearing on your comps because they have no edge?

In addition, someone told me that they don't base your comps on Come/Don't come bets, which seems ridiculous to me since they have the same house edge as the Pass/Don't pass line.

Is there any truth to that, or are the rules different in different casinos?
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odiousgambit
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February 8th, 2018 at 12:10:32 PM permalink
Quote: Lucca3927

Hi. I just had a question about getting no comps via the crap table? Is it true that your odds bets have no bearing on your comps because they have no edge?

In addition, someone told me that they don't base your comps on Come/Don't come bets, which seems ridiculous to me since they have the same house edge as the Pass/Don't pass line.

Is there any truth to that, or are the rules different in different casinos?



casinos differ but I think it is common that they conclude Craps players shouldnt get much in comps. A Wizard link that I keep referring to has a section for "Hands per Hour, House Edge for Comp Purposes" and from that you can see many, i'm sure 'not all', pit bosses just go with a simple formula and attempt to get an idea of average bet size so as not to make rating you an agonizing job. In other words, forget about them making a big study of your play down to every detail.

You can expect also that the most you'll get back from your "theo" is about 30% in comps and there have to be many, many casinos who do much less than that and many may even single out the craps game for, well, crap!

https://wizardofodds.com/gambling/house-edge/
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sodawater
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February 8th, 2018 at 1:48:05 PM permalink
If you ever talk to casino executives about ratings for craps, it is clear they have little to no understanding of how to rate the game.

Example one:

In Atlantic City, I saw a player betting $100 each pass and don't pass, then laying full odds on the DP for points of 4,5,9,10, and PICKING UP DP and taking full odds on the pass for points of 6 and 8.

After the player left, I asked the floorman how such play would be rated.

His reply: "I gave him a rating of $0 because his pass bets canceled out and we don't count odds."

This ridiculous lack of understanding cost that player the $200 rating he was entitled to. And the casino thinks that kind of action is bad for its bottom line?

Example two:

I was playing $10 on the pass line and $10 come bets every roll. I asked for my rating at the end of the session and it was $10. I objected, asking about the come bets, and the floorman told me "we don't count come bets, same as odds, because the house has no advantage on them."

This is news to me! Apparently come bets carry zero house edge now.

Bottom line, morons running the show.
GlenG
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February 8th, 2018 at 2:10:49 PM permalink
Its all different everywhere you go.

Ive worked and dealt craps in 3 different casinos...every single one of them rated differently. One only cared about Pass line & place bets...another one rated you separately for every bet you make (there was 4 sections in the computer..line(come/DC), odds, prop bets, place bets) and one that averaged the main bets (if you only play $10 with $10 odds and 52/54 across you have an average of $10....or 10 pass/30 odds/54 across with the occasional press from time to time would be 15 or 20 avegerage bet)

When i was a floor at a local casino in the midwest, as long as you bought in for $300+, played for more than 2-3 hours, had decent average bet, you get comped depending on that stuff..and you wouldnt even need to bring it up..If you were coloring up, we were encouraged to ask if you wanted to grab a bite now or in the near future...or even hotel stays if you were a high enough player. Its a small town with 6 casinos, so we had to make sure you came back.
FleaStiff
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February 8th, 2018 at 4:44:58 PM permalink
Yeah, the crew can be idiots and even if they are not, they can be subject to various memos that come down from on high.

Many casinos do not rate odds bets because of zero house edge, some casinos sort of bump things up just a bit.

Doing the Lord's Work (tipping) can often get you a bit of a bump in your rating.

Casinos try to rate a player based on money at risk, not money in the rack, but a hefty buy in can help.
FleaStiff
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February 9th, 2018 at 5:20:24 PM permalink
Quote: sodawater

.Bottom line, morons running the show.

Often that can be true. Can you image what that Floor is teaching the dealers?

The trouble is that I've seen younger crap players expressing such sentiments. Casinos no longer really want to operate player schools. Short lessons at scheduled times? Perhaps. Many places have gone the route of 'Welcome shows on the in-house TV channel in your room". These lesson shows are a farce.

Perhaps this is a self-curing situation: only those who survive their first few trips will ever become dedicated gamblers, but I have a notion that the Floor you speak of is now a Pit Boss.
AxelWolf
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February 9th, 2018 at 10:15:16 PM permalink
Location, location, location.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
speedycrap
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February 10th, 2018 at 12:50:52 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Location, location, location.

so where is the best place for low level craps player looking for coMp please?
FleaStiff
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February 10th, 2018 at 1:11:13 PM permalink
Wherever you enjoy the casino and enjoy the craps games. IF they comp, that is an added sweetener and its particularly more sweet if they happen to know what they are doing and pay attention to the amounts that you bet and the time you've spent.

Comps are always a "sweetener" and not really part of the main course. If the casino is convenient for you and otherwise enjoyable and the limits and table speed are to your liking, be happy.
WatchMeWin
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February 10th, 2018 at 1:12:54 PM permalink
Play to win...not for comps. The comps are all an extra bonus for the time and action you put in.... but to stay on the table just to try to work comps is ridiculous. Tip the dealers, the pit bosses take note.

I dont typically get rated... but last week I decided to get rated at this one casino. I had a 400 average bet. I won 1300. I didnt play long. I was in and out . I asked how much comp did I earn. They told me 10 bucks. I told the lady I have 400 average bet and I was risking 2000. I only get 10 comps? (Now i understand the time vs amount theoretical bs.. but come on!) I told the lady she could use the 10 bucks for herself... I bought my own dinner with the winnings. Get in... hit them... and leave. Dont stick around and give it back and dont put alot of time in.
'Winners hit n run... Losers stick around'

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