Recently, I've noticed that Caesers properties seem to be moving away from the Fire Bet as a craps side bet.
This doesn't really make sense, as I've seen quite a few tables where the felt has been replaced to have no side bet whatsoever (just plain craps. Who'd have thought!)
Did the math work out wrong and was the Fire Bet really in the player's favor? Compared with other side bets (all tall/small, repeater, etc) the Fire Bet is simple for the crew to manage, and the numbers are strongly in favor of the house. Unless it's a licensing thing, I can't fathom why CET seems to be stripping it from all their tables.
The whole "table grinds to a halt" makes sense. I think it was 30+ minutes the one time I rolled it.
I just see most of the other side bets as causing massive headaches for the dealers - the standard ATS layout is small, and if many players are playing, it really bogs down every time a 7 comes up, even in the come out
I miss the fire bet. I'm a pass line come bettor. The fire was the only fun side bet I'd do. Never hit the 6 but have hit 5 a couple times.
A lot of people don't think dice influence is possible. I had spent time reading about it, bought a few books, and thought about actually trying it. I'd spent some time on Golden Touch Craps videos, even talking to Dom over the phone one time as I contemplated buying a training setup. I was always skeptical, until...
It was the last night of a Vegas trip. My buddy and I were in Paris, about 2am, attempting to pull an all-nighter before our flights left in the morning. We were at a table, about 5 of us. We were doing $5 fire bets. A guy walks up and asks to buy my fire bet from me for $50. I can't remember if we were on a 2 or 3 point, but I just remember turning him down. We proceeded on the roll and he was kind of loud. Once we sevened out, the tabled behind us was empty and we decided to move to get away from him.
About ten minutes later he joins us at the table. We're thinking, "great". It's his turn to roll, and the pit boss comes over to him and kind of whispers in his ear, "better hit the back wall". I thought that was interesting. He picks up the dice on his turn and immediately just throws them down there. Whatever. His next roll, however, didn't look like his last. This guy was setting the dice, from the back position! He proceeded to hit a ton of numbers, sometimes not hitting the back wall, and immediately yelling "I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry" to the boss, lol. The pit boss looked visibly upset and frustrated.
The guy made a few comments that cracked me up. I was in position one to the left of stick where dice setters usually throw from. He told me, "that's my spot. If I'm there, they lose. If I'm here, they have a chance." lol "You guys don't know how rare this is" lol. He was loud, boisterous, and really drawing a lot of attention to himself. It was 3am in Paris on a Wednesday or something, there wasn't a ton of people in there, but we had some observers. We bet pass and come bet with a progression after we hit a few numbers. And we were cleaning up having our best session of the trip by far. He hit the 5 points locking up $1,250 and our last number was the 6. He rolls it! If he hits the 6, it's 5 grand and easily the best craps session I've ever had. I thought for SURE he was going to throw it. He didn't. He sevened out. I thought for sure it was coming!
A couple of us rolled and it his turn again and he immediately sevened out. He cashed, we cashed, we all cashed, lol, and that was it.
I've been playing craps for 20 years and have seen others attempt to set, but this was the first time I legitimately became a believer. The way he was acting, the comments he was making, and how concerned and frustrated the pit boss was with the situation led me to believe that it's definitely a thing. I think it takes thousands of hours of practice to acquire, but it's possible.
Miss the fire bet.