Is This Supposed to be Physcially Possible?

This thread has gotten weird... haha... The word "Chinese" is a racial slur now??

But back on topic, I've seen smaller dice do that at that Pai Gow table, and they have similarly curved corners.

I'm convinced that I have run across one automated dice machine that was biased toward 7. I made a decent amount off of it before they pulled it from the floor.

actually at this point I think anyone continuing to bring up the Chinese thing is guilty of hijacking the thread. They can start another thread if they want to ... and I can block it which I will want to.

Magnets.....

Quote: WatchMeWin

Magnets.....

...and weighted dice via magnets.....

again, i submit, it is not wise to play e craps.. whether the bubble craps or online or anything electronic. not trustworthy and not real.

i talked about how online electronic craps was not random in the past. Well, after a few years of staying off line, i decided to deposit a small $100 into an online account for sports wagering. even though im not sure if i would ever get paid, but the entertainment value and wanting to see what i could build it up to was worth it. so, i placed multiple teasers and parlays over the past few weeks. I built the 100 up to 2400. I didnt even go near the online casino... until yesterday.

now, i have preached that i believe the online casinos are a no win situation and i still believe it as there is no way in my opinion that they are random scenarios. so, i went to online craps. i played the dont pass for 1 dollar. no other bets. i did this for about an hour. i saw many box numbers. lots of rolls before the seven out or point made. then i went for my move. i put 25 on each box number ,150 across. First roll was a seven out. of course. I came right back with same bet. another 7 out right away. I figured, this cant happen over and over, i can get at least one number. so i did it again. 7 out right away. Granted, Im usually poised and in control without emotion... but this pissed me off... more so because I knew it and i was trying to prove something or other. after 5 point 7 out right way... i went back to 1 dollar on dont pass. and of course multiple box numbers ensued. Then I went back to 25 a number and 7 out right away.

I gave back 1000 of my sports winnings to the corrupt online casino. Never again. It is not random. Anyone who says it is... well they are lying. Sorry, I know there are sponsorship dollars here, but online casinos (other than sports wagering since they cant control that outcome) are manipulated and controlled.

So, now Im at 1400... I will try to see if I can get paid 1000 and ride out the remaining 400.

Quote: JohnnyQ

So yeah, I think it is possible for the die to have a small-ish flat surface worn into the "edge" over time.

The die has to be made of a soft-ish material, right ? I suspect the edge is not super sharp, cuz if it were, ENTROPY would come in to play and it wouldn't sit like that for long.

Dice are made of a hard plastic with a very low (essentially zero) modulus of elasticity. In other words, they do not deform. I would not expect them to change shape through abrasion - indeed I would expect them to crack and flake before they signficantly abrade, erode or "wear." So no flat surfaces "worn into the edge over time."

Quote: TigerWu

This thread has gotten weird... haha... The word "Chinese" is a racial slur now??

But back on topic, I've seen smaller dice do that at that Pai Gow table, and they have similarly curved corners.

A few racists thought I was Italian. I think they were Italian. A few racists thought I was german too before.

Quote: gordonm888

Dice are made of a hard plastic with a very low (essentially zero) modulus of elasticity. In other words, they do not deform. I would not expect them to change shape through abrasion - indeed I would expect them to crack and flake before they signficantly abrade, erode or "wear." So no flat surfaces "worn into the edge over time."

Then what are the odds of both dice landing on a corner?

Quote: Boz

You forgot about the Chinese Downhill in “Hot Dog The Movie”

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_Qe3HBqFhTU

Great pull with that reference. I haven't seen or quoted that movie in 25 year or so!!

"What is a (redacted)k is a Chinese downhill?"

Quote: CAD2

That is a borderline “racist” comment. Enough said.

Can we please leave “Chinese” out of the discussion. Thanks.

The post is in reference to another series of posts made famous on another thread by ZK where he suspects that the cards that some strip casinos that are manufactured in China preshuffled are missing low cards to make him lose.

So we joke now that anything that seems unusual is due to Chinese cards, Chinese dice, or Chinese video poker machines. But this is more of a dig at ZK then a dig at the Chinese.

Quote: CAD2

You are trying to make a distinction between:
(a) someone who makes an offensive remark in a joking manner knowing it is offensive

and

(b) someone who makes an offensive remark in a joking manner but is ignorant said remark is offensive

ZK was not making fun of the Chinese. In fact, the cards that he questions are coming, preshuffled, from a Chinese manufacturer. His supposition is that the casino executives are employing the Chinese cardmakers and requiring them to deliver the cards preshuffled with low cards missing. His supposition is that the executives are not asking American card makers to do this because there might be a whistleblower who would explode this conspiracy.

And to be perfectly honest, the quality of Chinese goods are generally poorer than other goods made around the world. Just look at how many products from China have been recalled due to paint, tainted meat and dairy products, and manufacturing imperfections. This is due to using cheap labor and cheap materials. Manufactured products made in China are found cheaply in Walmart and Target and other department stores and are cheap and full of imperfections. My TV stand is made in China. The doors don't close on them because they did not make it to specifications. I've never had a problem on the dozens of furniture items that I've purchased over the years from a certain Swedish manufacturer.

Or you can read this: How "made in China" got a bad reputation.

So yeah, when some of us say "Chinese" dice, some of us actually mean inferior, and we have some evidence to back it up.

Quote: cwazy

Wizard once did a Chi Square analysis to prove that a certain online casino was cheating. If I remember correctly, it was on Craps, and after something like 300 rolls he determined that the odds of those results being naturally occurring were astronomically high - hundreds of millions or billions to one. So it may take less than 10k rolls depending on your technique. I’ll have to look back and see if I can find the article.

You can't do Chi Squared testing based on 15 rolls. That's just wrong.

What brand of cards are made in China?

To bring this back on topic, that die is laying so close to the other one that it might have taken a gentle bounce off of the other one to bring its resting place on a corner.

And actually, there are odds to calculate this. You can calculate the odds of an unbiased die to lay on a certain axis. Obviously a perfectly cornered dice would have no probability of landing on a corner. But as the area of the corner surface increases, the odds of the dice coming to rest on that corner also increases. And given that a die has 8 corners and six sides there are 14 surfaces to consider. And heck if the edges get rounded too there's another twelve surfaces to consider.

Quote: boymimbo

You can't do Chi Squared testing based on 15 rolls. That's just wrong.

Careful, CAD2 may interpret the 'Chi' in 'Chi Squared' as being some sort of slang for 'Chinese' and go on another racist accusation rant.

Quote: 1MatterToMotion

Then what are the odds of both dice landing on a corner?

Very very low probability, near zero. Both dice would both need to be oriented so they land on a corner rather than on a side and the rotational torque on both dice would need to be a precise value with very small error bars otherwise the dice would continue to rotate off its corner.

The suggestion that there is a crease or gap in the felt on the floor of the chamber seems most likely to be the explanation.

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

What brand of cards are made in China?

I thought this was funny. Same brand, two different factories. You wouldn't expect this from a playing card company.

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

I thought this was funny. Same brand, two different factories. You wouldn't expect this from a playing card company.

Company keeps a small US crew working in an outdated plant while shifting most production off shore.

Quote: billryan

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

I thought this was funny. Same brand, two different factories. You wouldn't expect this from a playing card company.

Company keeps a small US crew working in an outdated plant while shifting most production off shore.

Ok. But can you guess which one is rigged? 😂

Warning... There are more than a couple of F bombs in the video I'm about to link to... So don't watch it if that offends you.

Reading this thread reminded me of this scene.

https://youtu.be/GNGkHK8Umew