WatchMeWin
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December 28th, 2017 at 2:13:13 PM permalink
The streak continues and my drug of choice is 'The W'. Craps is the enabler. Even though Im way ahead and racking up W's consistently and methodically, Im starting to feel like a degenerate. I used to think degenerates were people that lost all of the time while gambling non stop which made them do immoral and bad things, so there is a negative connotation to the gambling degenerate... but if you win all of the time when gambling, is that person still a degenerate but in a different sense of the word? I know I open myself up for the comments like ' you are delusional', etc from the nay sayers and L players, but I can't even stay at home anymore in the evening time after I already racked up a couple of W sessions earlier in the day. Im not sure anymore if it is all about the money, or all about the Ws and proving over and over again that it isn't randomness or luck.

A few guys on the craps tables told me recently that they started playing like me and that they have changed their game up. They have been doing better and they thanked me. I feel good that they have had positive experience. They said I should write a book.... I told them if I could bottle up my strategies and sell it, I would... but it isnt for sale and its not that easy. I just hope they dont change the game of craps in any way.. Like the stupid e craps game at resorts world where you cant place the point number after the come out roll.

It reminds me of years ago when I exploited sports parlays... I was playing baseball RL with total in the same game in parlays. There was a clear advantage to this parlay strategy and I did very well. They ultimately disallowed RL side and total in same game parlays. What will they do next? Its us against them. They try to say gambling is for entertainment purposes.... BS on that man... its about the Money!
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December 28th, 2017 at 2:33:21 PM permalink
I guess I don't get the appeal of constructing an elaborate false narrative. Is it part of a long con? Are you mentally ill? Is it a sexual fetish? Do you have an ax to grind with the site owners and this is your attempt at retribution?
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December 28th, 2017 at 2:42:52 PM permalink
Quote: WatchMeWin

but if you win all of the time when gambling, is that person still a degenerate but in a different sense of the word?



No; if you win all of the time, you are not a degenerate, you are employed as a professional craps player. This is how we know Trump is a liar everytime he talks about unemployment rates, because anyone within a three hour drive of a craps table is given every opportunity for a job. And all they have to do is just show up and start throwing the dice with the correct strategy
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December 28th, 2017 at 2:43:52 PM permalink
Quote: TomG

No; if you win all of the time, you are not a degenerate, you are employed as a professional craps player. This is how we know Trump is a liar everytime he talks about unemployment rates, because anyone within a three hour drive of a craps table is given every opportunity for a job. And all they have to do is just show up and start throwing the dice with the correct strategy

and attitude. . . and stay hydrated.
Psalm 25:16 Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted. Proverbs 18:2 A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
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December 28th, 2017 at 2:49:01 PM permalink
Quote: WatchMeWin

The streak continues and my drug of choice is 'The W'. Craps is the enabler. Even though Im way ahead and racking up W's consistently and methodically, Im starting to feel like a degenerate. I used to think degenerates were people that lost all of the time while gambling non stop which made them do immoral and bad things, so there is a negative connotation to the gambling degenerate... but if you win all of the time when gambling, is that person still a degenerate but in a different sense of the word? I know I open myself up for the comments like ' you are delusional', etc from the nay sayers and L players, but I can't even stay at home anymore in the evening time after I already racked up a couple of W sessions earlier in the day. Im not sure anymore if it is all about the money, or all about the Ws and proving over and over again that it isn't randomness or luck.

A few guys on the craps tables told me recently that they started playing like me and that they have changed their game up. They have been doing better and they thanked me. I feel good that they have had positive experience. They said I should write a book.... I told them if I could bottle up my strategies and sell it, I would... but it isnt for sale and its not that easy. I just hope they dont change the game of craps in any way.. Like the stupid e craps game at resorts world where you cant place the point number after the come out roll.

It reminds me of years ago when I exploited sports parlays... I was playing baseball RL with total in the same game in parlays. There was a clear advantage to this parlay strategy and I did very well. They ultimately disallowed RL side and total in same game parlays. What will they do next? Its us against them. They try to say gambling is for entertainment purposes.... BS on that man... its about the Money!


What's the best liquid to drink to stay hydrated? I won't go out without drinking 3-4 Long Island iced teas. Those keep me hydrated the best, I think. What do you (and others here) think?
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December 28th, 2017 at 2:51:40 PM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

and attitude. . . and stay hydrated.



You mean altitude, always have
extra oxygen available..
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WatchMeWin
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December 28th, 2017 at 2:55:13 PM permalink
Urotherapy.
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OnceDear
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December 28th, 2017 at 3:07:18 PM permalink
Quote: WatchMeWin

Urotherapy.

That would save you having to break a winning streak to go pee. Goods plan. Can you recommend suitable catheter and discrete accessories? Does the casino forbid you from drinking your own fluids at the table?
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December 28th, 2017 at 3:15:20 PM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

That would save you having to break a winning streak to go pee. Goods plan. Can you recommend suitable catheter and discrete accessories? Does the casino forbid you from drinking your own fluids at the table?



Silly Dear.... You should know that I dont stay on the tables long enough to have to pee there.... but if I did, I would certainly listen to any recommendation you have regarding your preferred brand of Diapers.... and thank you for the visual!
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December 28th, 2017 at 3:18:24 PM permalink
Trolling is your drug. That was a funny fable though.


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WatchMeWin
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December 28th, 2017 at 3:20:56 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

Trolling is your drug. That was a funny fable though.


ZCore13



Nope. no trolling here... but thank you for the compliment. Ive got better things to do than to troll. Apparently, discussing winning is not something this board is used to.
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December 28th, 2017 at 3:31:02 PM permalink
Quote: WatchMeWin

Nope. no trolling here... but thank you for the compliment. Ive got better things to do than to troll. Apparently, discussing winning is not something this board is used to.


So how do you do it -- win, that is?
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December 28th, 2017 at 3:35:21 PM permalink
Quote: WatchMeWin

Nope. no trolling here... but thank you for the compliment. Ive got better things to do than to troll. Apparently, discussing winning is not something this board is used to.



Winning at craps happens. Winning all the time in craps, doesn't. Winning over the long term in craps, nope. Thinking short sessions does anything for you, wrong. Thinking you are doing something thousands and thousands of others have done and having a different outcome than everyone else because of your "special" style, insane.

But have fun. If it's fun for you, that's all that matters. It's the silly stories nobody hear appreciates.

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December 28th, 2017 at 3:35:58 PM permalink
Is there any way I can watch you win?
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December 28th, 2017 at 3:43:20 PM permalink
Quote: rainman

Is there any way I can watch you win?



AC. Let me know.
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December 28th, 2017 at 3:50:41 PM permalink
Quote: WatchMeWin

AC. Let me know.



Does this mean that you play in AC?

If yes, then is offer to watch you win available to all members?
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December 28th, 2017 at 4:00:38 PM permalink
Im not putting on a show for a group of people , but if there is a trusted member or two that want to get together and play craps, Im game. And if Ax wants to side bet whether or not I achieve my goals based upon your reporting back , Im game.
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December 28th, 2017 at 4:16:50 PM permalink
Quote: WatchMeWin

Im not putting on a show for a group of people , but if there is a trusted member or two that want to get together and play craps, Im game. And if Ax wants to side bet whether or not I achieve my goals based upon your reporting back , Im game.



You didn't answer whether or not you play in AC.

If yes, then I am ready and willing to watch you win.

I'll try to bring Axel in on a side bet, I don't think he has any reason to distrust me.
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December 28th, 2017 at 4:44:13 PM permalink
I would want to be present unless it's someone I personally know, even then, I would rather be present. I don't want to do any goal-oriented stuff. That will require doing the math and coming up with a proper bet and some guidelines (unless you make me an offer I can't refuse). If you ever get to Vegas, or I happen to be in AC, assuming I'm available, I will book your action. It's simple, Just bet the table min if you wish, I will pay you x times the amount you win or you will owe me x times the amount you lose. let's say you declare 5 times the action. If you win $100, I will give you $ 500, if you lose $100 you will give me $500. This way you can make any size bets you want, you can make any bets on the table you want. You or I can stop whenever we want, or play as long as we want.

If I think about it, its probably negative EV for me, especially doing this with people I never meet. Eventually, someone would try to make a move. IE. trying to sneak in extra chips or something shady like that.

I prefer not to spend my time having to hawkeye someone that close and watch all your bets and pays while keeping a tally.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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December 28th, 2017 at 5:00:52 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

If I think about it, its probably negative EV for me, especially doing this with people I never meet. Eventually, someone would try to make a move. IE. trying to sneak in extra chips or something shady like that.



Your word is good enough for me. I'll cover your action, we can settle up whenever it works out.
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December 28th, 2017 at 5:08:28 PM permalink
If anyone in good standing is able to Watch, I would bet up to $100 that WatchMeWin meets or exceeds his Win goal. It's a great bet because he has already told us it happens all of the time, which means it must happen all of the time
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December 28th, 2017 at 5:28:39 PM permalink
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Your word is good enough for me. I'll cover your action, we can settle up whenever it works out.

Think about what you are proposing. I have to trust a guy who I nor anyone I know has never met to watch a guy that he, I or anyone I know has never met. Assuming everything was all good, what is my value, perhaps a few bucks? The downside seems much greater than the upside. I won't even get any entertainment watching him win/lose.

There are just too many unknowns, I think its much safer for me to stay out of this since I cannot be present.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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December 28th, 2017 at 5:53:12 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I think its much safer for me to stay out of this since I cannot be present.



OK Axel...stay safe.

So Axel is out...but I'm still in...so let's make this happen.

I'll watch you win...and I'll pay you to watch you win.

I'll be in AC by 9:00pm tomorrow, and in town through Monday.

If this is no good for you then just say when and where, and I'll try to work it out on my end.
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December 29th, 2017 at 4:04:44 AM permalink
How do you people get roped into these things?

Just send the guy some money. He wins all the time and is honest about it. He'll send you a check afterwards. No travel. No muss, no fuss, no alligator puss.

At least that's what I'M doing.
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December 29th, 2017 at 11:41:21 AM permalink
Quote: coachbelly

OK Axel...stay safe.

So Axel is out...but I'm still in...so let's make this happen.

I'll watch you win...and I'll pay you to watch you win.

I'll be in AC by 9:00pm tomorrow, and in town through Monday.

If this is no good for you then just say when and where, and I'll try to work it out on my end.



Parx tomorrow (Sat). Where are you from? Are you in the Casino business?
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December 29th, 2017 at 12:52:33 PM permalink
Quote: WatchMeWin

Parx tomorrow (Sat). Where are you from? Are you in the Casino business?



Never been to Parx. Not in the casino business.

I'm from North Jersey, live close to I-287.

Mt Airy & Sands are the closest PA casinos, they are almost the exact same distance door-to-door away from me.
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December 29th, 2017 at 1:04:39 PM permalink
It's a date.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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December 29th, 2017 at 3:49:21 PM permalink
Quote: coachbelly

Never been to Parx. Not in the casino business.

I'm from North Jersey, live close to I-287.

Mt Airy & Sands are the closest PA casinos, they are almost the exact same distance door-to-door away from me.



I think you said you will be in AC this weekend... can you make it to Parx early morning on Sat?
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December 29th, 2017 at 4:01:09 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Think about what you are proposing. I have to trust a guy who I nor anyone I know has never met to watch a guy that he, I or anyone I know has never met. Assuming everything was all good, what is my value, perhaps a few bucks? The downside seems much greater than the upside. I won't even get any entertainment watching him win/lose.

There are just too many unknowns, I think its much safer for me to stay out of this since I cannot be present.



You are the one that initiated wanting to bet me that I can't achieve my goals, and that is why I brought your name up. No worries, all good. I will definitely catch up with you when Im in Vegas next.. probably in Feb or March when my gf goes to visit family in China. And anytime you want to book a parlay of mine... let me know!
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December 29th, 2017 at 4:43:46 PM permalink
Reading your stories of massive winnings, while mildly amusing, is of no value whatsoever.

Having you describe your method of play is the goal, and while I doubt it is worth a fart in a wind storm, you opened the door.

You were asked what your method of play is, but you haven't answered: why?
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December 29th, 2017 at 5:04:06 PM permalink
Quote: WatchMeWin

You are the one that initiated wanting to bet me that I can't achieve my goals, and that is why I brought your name up. No worries, all good. I will definitely catch up with you when Im in Vegas next.. probably in Feb or March when my gf goes to visit family in China. And anytime you want to book a parlay of mine... let me know!

I did? Can you please quote my post. I don't know how I can bet someone they can or can't achieve their goal when I don't even know what their goal is. For all I know you are using some Marty system that has a higher probability of success.

I'm not sure why it's hard to understand why I wouldn't want to be involved with something that I cant attend involving 2 people I have never meet or even know anyone that's ever meet them. That sounds crazy to me.

Post up some money with me and I will book your parlays. Not doing it on credit.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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December 29th, 2017 at 5:06:16 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

Reading your stories of massive winnings, while mildly amusing, is of no value whatsoever.

Having you describe your method of play is the goal, and while I doubt it is worth a fart in a wind storm, you opened the door.

You were asked what your method of play is, but you haven't answered: why?



You can't really blame the guy if he doesn't want to give away the ingredients to
the secret sauce.
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December 29th, 2017 at 5:17:49 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

Reading your stories of massive winnings, while mildly amusing, is of no value whatsoever.

Having you describe your method of play is the goal, and while I doubt it is worth a fart in a wind storm, you opened the door.

You were asked what your method of play is, but you haven't answered: why?



It's quick sessions. He always wins at first and then leaves.

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December 29th, 2017 at 5:22:36 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

It's quick sessions. He always wins at first and then leaves.

ZCore13

I can win every time I play Roulette.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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December 29th, 2017 at 5:44:26 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I can win every time I play Roulette.



Sure you can. I saw a guy last week
buy in for $300 and lose every
bet. He got $200 more and lost
it all on 2 bets. Very common.

And he was betting all over the
layout, not on one spot.
Last edited by: EvenBob on Dec 29, 2017
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December 29th, 2017 at 5:44:34 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I can win every time I play Roulette.



That's because you stay hydrated.
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December 29th, 2017 at 6:57:11 PM permalink
Quote: MaxPen

That's because you stay hydrated.



Maybe. It could be he's on some
chemical substance that makes
him bullet proof. Like caffeine..
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December 29th, 2017 at 7:09:10 PM permalink
Dang it, I'm tired of losing; I want people to watch me win, too.

This guy needs to tell me how to be a winner.

Maybe if I offer him enough money ...

"What, me worry?"
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December 29th, 2017 at 7:59:05 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

Dang it, I'm tired of losing; I want people to watch me win, too.

This guy needs to tell me how to be a winner.

Maybe if I offer him enough money ...

That's what your room should look like if you know you are going to win every time. As good/smart as these system players claim to be, why is it they cant figure out they just need to bet the table max and make thousands per day?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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December 29th, 2017 at 10:09:32 PM permalink
Axel and WatchMeWin,

Let’s get a prop bet up.

I can be in Vegas in February or March also.

Just state the terms of the bet. Min $10,000, with an escrow. We can see if an admin or trusted person will be a ref. No show is a forfeit. The terms just have to be consistent with WatchMeWin’s claims.

No point in arguing. Money talks, bullsh*t walks, as they say.
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December 30th, 2017 at 1:08:38 AM permalink
Quote: klimate10

Axel and WatchMeWin,

Let’s get a prop bet up.

I can be in Vegas in February or March also.

Just state the terms of the bet. Min $10,000, with an escrow. We can see if an admin or trusted person will be a ref. No show is a forfeit. The terms just have to be consistent with WatchMeWin’s claims.

No point in arguing. Money talks, bullsh*t walks, as they say.


What are his claims anyway? Other than some mumbo-jumbo about always winning and such....are any of his claims specific enough for a bet to be made about them? Of course, stipulations would have to be made. Or else he could say something like "I'll win 5 sessions in a row" then just martingale from $5 min to $5,000 max, walk away as soon as he gets a profit, and have some huge probability of winning such a bet, even though it doesn't prove he's an actual winner.


In my experience, these bets never go through because the guy claiming to win using some system makes the terms an advantage in it of themselves (ie: martingale example), or he just won't show. Plus, I don't imagine many APs want to go meet some random dude that no one knows. Who's to say he doesn't work for a casino and will out the AP he meets with?


If these system players actually had a legitimate way to win, they'd be out crushing the casinos as long as they could and making an absolute s***load of money. Hell, if someone had such a system, I'd pay some good money for that information (6+ figures).
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December 30th, 2017 at 2:40:11 AM permalink
Quote: RS

What are his claims anyway?

He's a great and successful 'winner'
Quote:

Other than some mumbo-jumbo about always winning

Yep. that's the one.
Quote:

Or else he could say something like "I'll win 5 sessions in a row"

Indeed I did win 34 consecutive sessions in the last two months. Meant sweet FA.
Quote:

In my experience, these bets never go through

My money is with you on that one.
Quote:

If these system players actually had a legitimate way to win, they'd be out crushing the casinos

Ahhh, but that is his secret sauce. Be Wise: Win: Don't be greedy.
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December 30th, 2017 at 3:05:37 AM permalink
does anybody remember the incredible promotions from Stupak at Vegas World?

If I remember correctly and I'm pretty sure I do he offered:


$$$$$$.........ONE MILLION DOLLARS TO ANYBODY WHO COULD BEAT CERTAIN HOUSE GAMES WITH A SYSTEM


there were all kinds of stipulations - I can't remember exactly what they were
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December 30th, 2017 at 5:11:23 AM permalink
Quote: klimate10

Axel and WatchMeWin,

Let’s get a prop bet up.

I can be in Vegas in February or March also.

Just state the terms of the bet. Min $10,000, with an escrow. We can see if an admin or trusted person will be a ref. No show is a forfeit. The terms just have to be consistent with WatchMeWin’s claims.

No point in arguing. Money talks, bullsh*t walks, as they say.



If Axel doesn’t want to take that bet, I will gladly take it for $10,000
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December 30th, 2017 at 5:13:32 AM permalink
When I signed up earlier in the month I recall a statement in the Welcome part of the email from the forum host that said something to the effect that "gambling systems are useless and never work".

I take a very small exception to that.

These people who develop their methods; how many dissers actually read through, talk through, and thoroughly understand or try said systems?

While I agree conventional wisdom and math say bs right off the bat, there could actually be one or two gamblers out there who have come up with, not a crazy system for the masses, but something that somehow, someway works for them and them only because of their quirky personality or the unusual way their brain works or whatever. It's not totally out of the question.

That's why these forum bets are zero in value for all but the claimant IF they ever happen. Who knows if the guy quits the moment he gets ahead by betting a progression or not? He wins/you lose. And he may well do that time and again, which would lead to his claim of "I always win". How many of us could truly play like that? Is it even worth our time? Maybe it is to him, which does make him somewhat special, although his "gambling discovery" is not for the masses.

So why waste your time with this?
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December 30th, 2017 at 5:39:46 AM permalink
Bets like these have come to fruition here at WoV. But of course there have to be specific terms after the system seller makes specific claims. As of now WMW has only made vague claims, so no bet can even be proposed. If he makes a specific claim...... "I come with $5000 and can double it 9 out of 10 times" I can devise a bet. If he says "I am so good I win all the time" no reasonable bet can be devised.
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December 30th, 2017 at 9:24:55 AM permalink
Quote: TomG

If Axel doesn’t want to take that bet, I will gladly take it for $10,000

I cant make a bet until I know what he's claiming.

I'm not greedy, I'm willing to split some action with you or anyone interested, assuming we can come up with something feasible.

"The terms just have to be consistent with WatchMeWin’s claims"

It seems to me he is claiming he never has a losing session.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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December 30th, 2017 at 9:34:43 AM permalink
Quote: lilredrooster

does anybody remember the incredible promotions from Stupak at Vegas World?

If I remember correctly and I'm pretty sure I do he offered:


$$$$$$.........ONE MILLION DOLLARS TO ANYBODY WHO COULD BEAT CERTAIN HOUSE GAMES WITH A SYSTEM


there were all kinds of stipulations - I can't remember exactly what they were



I don't remember that particular promotion, but I was fascinated with his ads. They were in Parade Magazine and TV Guide for years iN the 70s aand 80s. It was like, 3 nights in the hotel, 300 in slot tokens, buffet tickets, $99 for a family of 4.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
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December 30th, 2017 at 9:41:07 AM permalink
Of course it’s possible to set up a prop bet. I’ve done it before on these types of claims.

His claim is that he can win.

The terms can be simple or complex. The terms shouldn’t be too complex or drawn out. The simpler the better. Heck, I’d do a one spin even money bet with anyone who thinks they can win at the McCarren slots.

With strangers, there usually has to be a trusted person who acts as an escrow. And there has to be a forfeit rule and a timed deadline.

Vast majority of the time, the person making the claim will not bet. Most of these guys know they’re full of sh*t.

I’ve done it before on craps, where I shadowed a person, and since I play craps anyways, the only extra work I did was to watch the person and make sure they didn’t pad their buy in. I’ve also done it before on slots, where someone made claims similar to WMW on slots.

With these prop bets, you really aren’t looking to prove anything. You’re just taking a bet with an edge.
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December 30th, 2017 at 9:48:27 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

I don't remember that particular promotion, but I was fascinated with his ads. They were in Parade Magazine and TV Guide for years iN the 70s aand 80s. It was like, 3 nights in the hotel, 300 in slot tokens, buffet tickets, $99 for a family of 4.

All he wanted was people with money to come to his casino. He had Crapless Craps and Blackjack with ALL cards dealt face up.

The unions and bankers stole his casino I think. Can't remember the details.
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