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Hunterhill
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October 31st, 2017 at 1:50:53 PM permalink
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There must be greater differences than I thought between US English and English. I implied no such thing.

You have had good luck. Pure and simple. There are metaphorical bullets matey. You can't make it a winning game by spinning the chamber before each pull of the trigger.



Perhaps it is not the barrier between or English, mate, but rather the lack in you ability to grasp the sarcasm in my statement. I did not actually think you were giving me accolades, mate....lol I know you were insulting me, but that is all good. I have thick skin. So , when I return the favor, please have thick skin as well and don't suspend me.

And.... METAPHORICALLY speaking, again, if there are no bullets in the chamber, which you stated, then there is no way of blowing my brains away... METAPHORICALLY.

Now back to the topic at hand... you can play craps any way you like, and I wish you the best... but, maintain, if you stick around on the table, you will lose. Playing the probabilities, discipline, management, realistic expectation will put one in a greater position to be a winner. And ask 100 dealers if they believe there are rhythm and flows to the game, I bet 90% would agree.

See you at the Cage cashing winnings! Good luck.... MATE!


Asking 100 dealers or a 1000 dealers is meaningless. The average dealer is totally misinformed, and believes in all the gambling fallacies.
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WatchMeWin
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November 1st, 2017 at 6:21:44 AM permalink
Asking 100 dealers or a 1000 dealers is meaningless. The average dealer is totally misinformed, and believes in all the gambling fallacies.



So you are saying that the dealers, who are around the game 24/7 and see every roll of the dice, are misinformed and dont know what they're talking about.... hmmmm I would put experience and history above any other advise given anywhere from anyone!

Anyway, I just got back from my quick trip to the local casino. Tables were empty.. which I love! I went 100 per number (650 across). Excellent flow to the dice with the shooter and stick person.. I was soooo tempted to stay on after I hit my first 3 box numbers, but I stayed consistent and disciplined.... thats the name of the game. The shooter proceeded to roll about 10 more boxes. I did not go back on at any point. Some were saying that I was loosing money for not working... but that is not the way to look at it. I view it as I made 70% return on my money in 2 minutes and I succeeded in my daily session. Cant look back. The difference between winners and losers is knowing how to play and when to walk. I could have dropped down to the minimum and let it ride, but not today.
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FleaStiff
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November 1st, 2017 at 8:28:45 AM permalink
Quote: PriorPosters

Asking 100 dealers or a 1000 dealers is meaningless. The average dealer is totally misinformed, and believes in all the gambling fallacies.
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So you are saying that the dealers, who are around the game 24/7 and see every roll of the dice, are misinformed and dont know what they're talking about.... hmmmm I would put experience and history above any other advise given anywhere from anyone!



As usual, the truth probably lies somewhere between these two extremes. It would depend on age, intelligence, alertness, experience level, etc.

Some neophyte dealers probably start out believing a great many things and it may take them some time to learn. Some dealers zone out particularly on slow games with zilch getting into the toke box.

However, overall I would think that dealers see a lot of Point-SevenOut, a lot of people who shoot themselves in the foot, and they also see some humungous rolls. One dealer said that about once every shift he has seen rolls that really place demands on them and on the bank. People are pressing their bets like crazy and the shooter just keeps going and going like that darned rabbit. Of course the trick is to at least be there for that roll. Its the old Wall Street adage: You Can't Win If You Don't Play The Game. So being committed to "chipping" means you will never ride that monster roll.

PSO is dreaded. So is being on the wrong line. Eons ago Circus Circus had a lone craps table off by itself near the corridor to the buffet. I was buffet bound but decided to give it a try. As usual I was "From the Don't, Hoping They Won't" but I rolled a 7, I stayed on the Don'ts and rolled another 7, stick called out to passersby 'We Got A Seven Shooter here". I made the mistake of staying on the don't pass. Rolled another 7. Guy walks up and puts a C-note on Don'tCome and states "money plays" (It was allowed back in those days) and darn if I didn't roll that fourth 7. He walked off saying to the dealer "Made a believer out of me" and the dealer said to me "You shot yourself in the foot". So dealers do indeed see everything under the sun at some point in time. Some dice dealers will do a full shift then go to a neighboring casino and shoot dice. One dice dealer used to finish his shift and then go to that cheapie beer and peanuts oriented casino whose name escapes me at the moment and he put a c-note Across. If three numbers hit, he would walk and declare the rest as toke bets. He had been on his feet for eight hours, he wasn't going to linger at that table. "Chipping" was right for him.
Ibeatyouraces
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November 1st, 2017 at 8:31:07 AM permalink
Blackjack dealers deal thousands of hands per week, but yet only about 1% of them know basic strategy for any particular rules set perfectly!!
DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
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November 1st, 2017 at 8:49:03 AM permalink
Quote: WatchMeWin



So you are saying that the dealers, who are around the game 24/7 and see every roll of the dice, are misinformed and dont know what they're talking about.... hmmmm I would put experience and history above any other advise given anywhere from anyone!



So then I guess you'll take my experience and history in the business. Dealers care about nothing except keeping their job and making tips. They are the last people you want to trust for solid play advice, trends or math. Everything runs together. High and low marks stick out over the 1,000s of normal hands and things they see each day. Their and your opinions and memories of how things go are flawed.


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I am an employee of a Casino. Former Table Games Director,, current Pit Supervisor. All the personal opinions I post are my own and do not represent the opinions of the Casino or Tribe that I work for.
Hunterhill
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November 1st, 2017 at 8:57:19 AM permalink
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So then I guess you'll take my experience and history in the business. Dealers care about nothing except keeping their job and making tips. They are the last people you want to trust for solid play advice, trends or math. Everything runs together. High and low marks stick out over the 1,000s of normal hands and things they see each day. Their and your opinions and memories of how things go are flawed.


ZCore13


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November 1st, 2017 at 10:19:23 AM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

So then I guess you'll take my experience and history in the business. Dealers care about nothing except keeping their job and making tips. They are the last people you want to trust for solid play advice, trends or math. Everything runs together. High and low marks stick out over the 1,000s of normal hands and things they see each day. Their and your opinions and memories of how things go are flawed.

ZCore13



Craps dealers will encourage the dumb and center bets for precisely that reason. They know (1) big winners are more likely to tip (2) the center bets garnish the most revenue for the casino. So the center bets are by far the most profitable for dealer and casino and will help them keep their jobs and make more tips.

The dealers are also interested in keeping the game moving and keeping superstitions alive and well in order to keep players (that they want to keep) at the table. Their table personas likely differ wildly from what they actually know. What they actually know is that that the stack of chips stays fairly level most of the time and the boxes of incoming money get changed out often, because every single bet on the table (besides the odds bet, the best table bet in the casino), in the end, is tilted in their favor.
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Mission146
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November 1st, 2017 at 10:38:32 AM permalink
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I walked away a winner, while others stayed and lost. Luck? Perhaps. Skill? Perhaps. But knowing who, what, when, where, why, and how cant be taught.



You Placed/Bought all the way across and two numbers hit prior to a Seven.

(24/30)^2 = 0.64 or 64%.

In loosely related news, it may or may not rain today.
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WatchMeWin
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November 1st, 2017 at 11:29:08 AM permalink
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You Placed/Bought all the way across and two numbers hit prior to a Seven.

(24/30)^2 = 0.64 or 64%.

In loosely related news, it may or may not rain today.




Its been all sunny skies for me for the past 10 years. The prior 10 years , as Ive mentioned before, were mostly rain storms. This was because I played like an idiot and never left the table due to greed and lack of understanding of probabilities and flow.
Luck? Perhaps. Skill? Perhaps. Ill stick to my lucky formula and enjoy the sunny skies.... consistently... key word.

Remember what I told you about the meteorologist? and Good luck!
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November 1st, 2017 at 12:42:23 PM permalink
Isn't the good news here, that he is not charging money for this wonderful system?
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