Does anyone here win consistently in craps?
Quote: RomesOkay, my craps table is open for business! We offer 1x odds on my craps table, and you can bet $500-$1,000 on the pass/don't pass or come/don't come...Quote: betwthelines...if not with simulations, how would we structure your bet? i would take your bet...you would lose...
...You might think that's a long time, but we're talking about a very large sum of money at stake!...
LOL...no we're not...
good one, though!
tom p
Quote: odiousgambitPS: how about resolving the bet by doing a simulation - one done by someone both trust. If it is claimed that 2% of players are still ahead after 1 million rolls, then the simulation can be for 100 players. But it should not be for "one player" at basically an even bet. Come on.
Ayyyy I can't do math but I can write code, not sure I qualify as trusted but you guys can look at the source.
I wrote a simple simulator that bets 1 unit on passline with 1x odds using a crypto quality RNG. Here was the results for 1,000,000 bet resolutions for 100 players.....
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Average Results Among 100 Players Over 1000000 Bets Resolved
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Total Rolls: 3375294.84
Units: -83891.09
7/11 Win: 22.22392600%
Craps Lose: 11.11201600%
Point Win: 27.06786100%
7 Out: 39.59619700%
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Most Units: -78862
Least Units: -88532
Here's the code. Not my best work (lol global variables), but I just threw it together quickly. I do think it's accurate, but I'm sure someone can let me know how those numbers look -vs- what's mathematically expected.
https://pastebin.com/fPXYJwTz
Edit: -83k seems high, I prob messed something up I'll check it tomorrow
And updated results.....
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Average Results Among 100 Players Over 1000000 Bets Resolved
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Total Rolls: 3376016.91
Units Wagered: 1666773
End Units: -14355.419
7/11 Win: 22.21494700%
Craps Lose: 11.10767100%
Point Win: 27.07159400%
7 Out: 39.60578800%
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Most Units: -9675.5
Least Units: -20048.6
There you have it. One hundred players, 1 million passline bets each, zero winners, and an average loss of -14355.419 units on a wager with a house edge of 1.41%, WHO WOULD HAVE THUNK IT
How does one go tilt on craps, do they start betting the hardways and sh*t?Quote: autocarryTrying to get enough ahead to say what I'm doing works long term. I'll go on runs where I can't lose but then have bad days that brings back reality. Key is staying away from going on tilt. I've been on tilt 4 times in this run. Going in my pocket and not accepting a loss 3 times. Losing 5000, 6000, 6000, as well as not accepting a $1300 win after a day of losing $3000. On that day I had my goal of $1300 but wasn't happy with that and lost all that back plus $3000 more. So if I can't remain focused I don't deserve the opportunity to be successful.
Quote: AxelWolfHow does one go tilt on craps, do they start betting the hardways and sh*t?
ALL ON FIELD BET
Quote: AxelWolfHow does one go tilt on craps, do they start betting the hardways and sh*t?
The trick is to evenly spread your beds between Hard 3, Hard 5, Hard 7, and Hard 11. Hard 9 is for suckers.
So, 2/3 of your year to date profit came from one day of BIG betting!Quote: autocarrywins 112 loses 29=79.4%
The most down during this time $11460 which was on day 11 . . .
currently I'm at a plus of $15330
A few BIG wagers averaging more than $1000: Those are going to dominate your results. Bigger wagers will dominate more.Quote:A reply to an earlier comment is Yes, when I'm down a good chunk of my bankroll ($1000 or so on a $3000 bankroll) I will push all in or push in a good bit to try to get back in the game.
That's luck or good variance: It happens.Quote:Obviously I've lost some of those but have won many more than I've lost.
I'm pleasd for you if you are having fun AND sit with a profit. But you are not beating the game. What you have does not and will not 'work' if you continue to do it. I hope you have an alternative source of income or capital, ready for when your lifetime profit reaches back down to zero.
Quote: gamerfreakThere you have it. One hundred players, 1 million passline bets each, zero winners, and an average loss of -14355.419 units on a wager with a house edge of 1.41%, WHO WOULD HAVE THUNK IT
Apparently no one told you it's *free odds* and the ability to get the HE well below 1% that makes it possible to have lifetime winners at Craps. You are also using 1 million resolved bets, not 1 million rolls of the dice.
I have confidence in Wincraps for simulations. Maybe I will take time to do one.
I don't know why some of our members get so upset by the idea that there can be winners. If there are 2 winners and 98 losers then that speaks for itself. Out of the 98, many many will be devastated in fact.
When you see a lottery winner on TV does this crowd think it is "fake news" ? Well, Romes would prove it is fake news by betting that if I buy a lottery ticket, I have to pay him X if I don't win big and he pays me that same amount if I do. That'll show everybody.
Quote: odiousgambitApparently no one told you it's *free odds* and the ability to get the HE well below 1% that makes it possible to have lifetime winners at Craps. You are also using 1 million resolved bets, not 1 million rolls of the dice.
I have confidence in Wincraps for simulations. Maybe I will take time to do one.
I don't know why some of our members get so upset by the idea that there can be winners. If there are 2 winners and 98 losers then that speaks for itself. Out of the 98, many many will be devastated in fact.
When you see a lottery winner on TV does this crowd think it is "fake news" ? Well, Romes would prove it is fake news by betting that if I buy a lottery ticket, I have to pay him X if I don't win big and he pays me that same amount if I do. That'll show everybody.
What do you mean free odds? Is that just referring to the fact that taking odds is 0% edge? My program surely paid fair odds.
1 million resolutions -vs- 1 million rolls is really splitting hairs. I guarantee I'd be getting the same results at 1/3 of the sample size. Tell me exactly how you want the simulation run and I'll do it. I'm confident my program is just as accurate as wincraps, all of the stats it's pumping out are identicle to Wiz's calculations on his craps page.
No one is upset about winners, it's the lack of proof behind extraordinary claims that gets people all bothered.
"I'm a winner over 1mil rolls!"
"That's statistically impossible, here's the math to prove it."
"You're math is wrong! Run a simulation!"
"Here's a simulation that validates the math."
"Your simulation is wrong!"
Btw, the difference between 1 million rolls vs 1 million resolved bets is not "splitting hairs". If the average number of rolls per decision is 8.5 (or whatever it was quoted before), then that's 1 million vs 8.5 million rolls, which is certainly not splitting hairs. I'd also do much more than 100 trials for a simulation. A trial of 100 is just as bad as a trial of 1 when determining proof.
Were other claims made -- like you can use some system and win or this is proof you can win at a -EV game (in an attempt to say something like, "It doesn't matter who has the advantage, it's all random" as if advantage/disadvantage is meaningless)?
Quote: RSFirst of all, what was the actual claim that was made (link please)? Was the player flat betting in this case, pressing bets, and/or increasing or decreasing unit sizes over time [ie: first using $10 units....then goes on a big win, and next session uses $20 units.....loses, next session is $5 units...etc.]? And of course, which bets were made and what kind of odds was the player taking?
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/craps/27868-does-anyone-here-win-consistently-in-craps/12/#post602270
Quote: betwthelinesit is not only possible but likely that some very few will be ahead with these bets after a mil.
That quote is patently false assuming flat bets, proven by Boyimbo's math, Rome's, math, math in general, and my simulation.
Quote: RSBtw, the difference between 1 million rolls vs 1 million resolved bets is not "splitting hairs". If the average number of rolls per decision is 8.5 (or whatever it was quoted before), then that's 1 million vs 8.5 million rolls, which is certainly not splitting hairs.
3.38 rolls on average to resolve a passline bet. In my simulation that would be the difference between 338,000,000 rolls and 100,000,000 rolls. I guarantee if I ran those two sims side by side it would produce the same results.
Quote: RSI'd also do much more than 100 trials for a simulation. A trial of 100 is just as bad as a trial of 1 when determining proof.
Define a trial. My simulation was of ~337,601,691 rolls, the results were divided between 100 player's at OG's request. That's a whole lot different than 1 trial.
Again, anyone is welcome to tell me exactly how they want the simulation done (given that the program will execute in a reasonable timeframe) and I will post the data.
If you have to ask that, it makes me fear what you are coming up with.Quote: gamerfreakWhat do you mean free odds?
I didn't see where you put in the free odds, if you did what is it? 1X? 3x4x5x? 20x? it matters.
We are probably talking about more than one claim, however, why don't we focus on this one?Quote: RSFirst of all, what was the actual claim that was made (link please)?
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/craps/27868-does-anyone-here-win-consistently-in-craps/7/#post593585
which tossed around 200k to 1 million bets
If I state it this way: over 1 million rolls, not bets, taking full odds, 10x, there will be winners if there are enough players with different rolls of the dice- certainly if there are 1,000 players. I'll bet a simulation with Wincraps can prove that. Any takers?
More details to hammer out, like who runs the simulation [can't have someone cherry-pick]. We'll start a new thread to avoid confusion over 'which claim'.
PS: not your simulations, gamerfreak, with the existence of Wincraps there is no need to reinvent that wheel.
Quote: odiousgambitIf you have to ask that, it makes me fear what you are coming up with.
I didn't see where you put in the free odds, if you did what is it? 1X? 3x4x5x? 20x? it matters.
Like I said the sim was run with 1x odds as romes stated in his proposition. I've just nevered heard of it referred to as free odds, and it certainly is not free.
Quote: odiousgambitMore details to hammer out, like who runs the simulation [can't have someone cherry-pick]. We'll start a new thread to avoid confusion over 'which claim'.
PS: not your simulations, gamerfreak, with the existence of Wincraps there is no need to reinvent that wheel.
Where is there cherry picking? Romes made a proposition, you suggested it be resolved with a simulation, and I ran an accurate simulation.
You're free not to trust my code, but I'll stand by the fact that it's just as accurate, of not more accurate than wincraps. But I'm more than willing to admit I'm wrong on any of this if you can prove otherwise, the code and numbers are there for anyone to look at.
If no one re-invented the wheel, we'd still have stone wheels. I'd rather spend an hour pounding out my own code rather than spend $15 on a geocities throwback site.
Quote: RomesOkay, my craps table is open for business! We offer 1x odds on my craps table, and you can bet $500-$1,000 on the pass/don't pass or come/don't come (since that's the focus of our bet). You must complete 25,000 points. Since it takes ~8.5 rolls to resolve a point, that's approx 213,000 rolls of the dice. If you roll 6 times per minute (minimum restriction - you can throw faster if you want) that's 360 roles per hour. That would take approximately 590 hours or about 59 days of playing 10 hours per day (so about 2 months).Quote: betwthelines...if not with simulations, how would we structure your bet? i would take your bet...you would lose...
You might think that's a long time, but we're talking about a very large sum of money at stake! Well worth a few years of ones salary... Your -EV is only -$176,250 (if you flat bet $500)... BUT you COULD get lucky as you propose and you could be UP at the end! So it's CLEARLY worth your time to come win a few hundred thousand off me, right???
The actual number of rolls to resolve a pass / don't pass is 1 + 6/36*36/9+8/36*36/10+10/36*36/11 = 3.375758 rolls.
Number of trials is still 25,000 or 84,394 rolls or 234.5 hours though I think it takes 20 seconds a roll and not 10.
You offered 1x odds. Variance is 1.67. After 25,000 trials the standard deviation is 204.32 with an expected loss of 353.53 units. He has a 4.18% chance of breaking even or better on your table.
Not impossible at all. I don't know why anyone has to run simulators. When the odds and standard deviation are known you can plug everything into Excel and get the correct results with very little effort.
My theory is that a DI group exists because there are a few people who claim DI and actually win in the mid run because they are simply lucky.
not accusing you of that, but anybody involved in this bet would have to be a fool to not assure there can be no cherry-picking . Come on.Quote: gamerfreakWhere is there cherry picking?
Quote:If no one re-invented the wheel, we'd still have stone wheels. I'd rather spend an hour pounding out my own code rather than spend $15 on a geocities throwback site.
No bet if you run the simulations. If, say, Wizard* likes your code and RNGs , fine.
*Steen, btw, who you just insulted, would also be a great choice for trusted simulator.
I got it from the Wiz, from googling... it was the "Rolls Per Shooter" not per point. My mistake. Makes my bet even more attractive as it'll take 1/3 the time now!Quote: boymimboThe actual number of rolls to resolve a pass / don't pass is 1 + 6/36*36/9+8/36*36/10+10/36*36/11 = 3.375758 rolls.
First, any written wager I've put on the forums, I really would do... and this one could potentially involve hundreds of thousands of dollars. So you can scoff, but that's a serious offer if you'd like to take it.Quote: odiousgambitRomes, you have put yourself in the place of those who refuse to put their money where their mouth is around here, but you are one of a kind in this regard: you are the one who is saying "you won't bet me"
You are taking on the claim that "some" will be lifetime winners at Craps - especially if free odds are involved - then proposing to disprove it by saying "I bet this one individual fails"
Bravely saying "I'll be the house" and "you the player" in order to settle the matter too. What a guy!
PS: how about resolving the bet by doing a simulation - one done by someone both trust. If it is claimed that 2% of players are still ahead after 1 million rolls, then the simulation can be for 100 players. But it should not be for "one player" at basically an even bet. Come on.
Odious, I like your posting and think you're a sharp guy, but we've always disagreed on odds affecting the actual house edge. They do NOT affect the house edge. They affect the VARIANCE to the player. The house edge on the pass line is 1.41%. Have odds? Cool, the house edge on your bet is still 1.41%. The variance to the player and results will vary due to the odds wagers (especially the larger they are), but this doesn't affect one's negative EV. It just makes the standard deviations bigger so that the player has a "chance" (at high enough odds) to be "extremely lucky" and end up barely in the black. See pictures below:
Craps with NO odds
Craps with 'large enough' odds
I agree that you cannot change the EV of your line bet with free odds.
I will say though that you are discounting the far right corner of the bell curve - as if it doesn't exist. I certainly discount that I will be there in my Craps play, but that is a different matter from saying "someone" will be there out of the hordes who gamble.
If you feel it is irresponsible to point out the far right corner, perhaps you are right. No one should count on being there.
Quote: odiousgambit*Steen, btw, who you just insulted, would also be a great choice for trusted simulator.
I didn't insult steen, just made a friendly poke at his site design. I'm sure wincraps is a fine simulator.
Quote: odiousgambitnot accusing you of that, but anybody involved in this bet would have to be a fool to not assure there can be no cherry-picking . Come on.
No bet if you run the simulations. If, say, Wizard* likes your code and RNGs , fine.
I didn't know what you meant by cherry picking, I apologize. I don't mean any ill-will here, the only reason I'm being a little arrogant is because the denial of math super frustrating (other's in this thread, not you). To be clear, the claim that there is likely winners over 1mil rolls betting the passline w/ 1x odds is what I am saying is false.
I believe you're correct that there will be winners over 1m rolls when taking 10x odds. Here's what my sim said:
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Average Results Among 100 Players Over 300000 Passline Bets Resolved Taking 10x Odds
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Total Rolls: 1012605.16
Units Wagered: 2300038
Units: -4931.72
7/11 Win: 22.2163900%
Craps Lose: 11.1156733%
Point Win: 27.0652466%
7 Out: 39.6026900%
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Most Units: 9156
Least Units: -20025
Winners: 21
Losers: 79
Even: 0
Quote: gamerfreakI believe you're correct that there will be winners over 1m rolls when taking 10x odds.
That sim looks familiar. I've run them on Wincraps [but can't find my old results if I ever did 1 million rolls]
So, where are these guys, these winners?
Out of the few who would be lucky enough, they don't stick with it. I think we are hearing from a few who have been so luck so far but not the 70 yr old guy who stuck with it and came out ahead. Tom P, or whoever, correct me if I am wrong.
The swings are just too much. At 10x odds and $10 tables you have $100k swings and in the end you are more likely to be behind than ahead. What do we actually see at the Craps table? Guys who can't take the swings of 3x4x5x odds and wake up every morning dreaming up another way to hedge their bets.
Quote: RomesOdious, I like your posting and think you're a sharp guy, but we've always disagreed on odds affecting the actual house edge. They do NOT affect the house edge.
I was thinking about this last night, and don't know what conclusion to make.
Look at this table:
https://wizardofodds.com/games/craps/basics/#toc-Strategy
It would make sense that 1.4% HE + 0% HE = 1.4% HE. However looking at that table, it does seem like taking odds lowers the overall house edge for those rolls only, but I'm not sure exactly how to interpret those numbers. Where it may be deceiving is the required -1.4% wager with no odds when the shooter is coming out, and 1/3 of passline bets are resolved without a point ever being established.
Okay... You're stating EV can't and won't change... Well:Quote: odiousgambitI have argued that the EV cannot change with free odds, but that the HE in fact can change. But that dissolved into semantics and even Steen took me to task.
EV = (NumGames*AvgBet)*(HE)
If EV doesn't change, HE doesn't change. If you're claiming HE can change, then EV would change. It is impossible for HE to change if EV does not, which you admit.
Regarding the bigger bets as long as I can get by the come out roll I will always have the advantage and will win my mathematical formula number of times.
Define advantage? Is it about probability of a winning session, or are you so deluded as to think you have a player edge?Quote: autocarryI will always have the advantage and will win my mathematical formula number of times.
Quote: autocarryDo you understand now or do you want me to draw it in Crayon for you?
I understood. If the dice roll in your favour, you have an advantage. Enjoy it.
Quote: OnceDearI understood. If the dice roll in your favour, you have an advantage. Enjoy it.
He meant he is favored to win after the come out roll. Which is true because he is on the don't pass.
Crossed sixes on the come out, 3V after the point.
Quote: TankoDice setter at play.
Crossed sixes on the come out, 3V after the point.
Shooter certainly didn't have confidence in his ability. Never increased pass line/odds bet. Looking at the chips in his rail he may have won $100 on a half hour roll = pathetic.
Quote: wilbsmittQuote: TankoDice setter at play.
Crossed sixes on the come out, 3V after the point.
Shooter certainly didn't have confidence in his ability. Never increased pass line/odds bet. Looking at the chips in his rail he may have won $100 on a half hour roll = pathetic.
Yeah... where are all of these supposed DI practioners betting table max all day long?
Quote: IbeatyouracesQuote: wilbsmittQuote: TankoDice setter at play.
Crossed sixes on the come out, 3V after the point.
Shooter certainly didn't have confidence in his ability. Never increased pass line/odds bet. Looking at the chips in his rail he may have won $100 on a half hour roll = pathetic.
Yeah... where are all of these supposed DI practioners betting table max all day long?
They don't want to get greedy. Hit their session win goal and done for the day. If you get greedy, you lose. Duh.
This is just comical. Not only does he not even set the dice every single throw (in the first 5 min I watched) but he also doesn't even throw from teh same spot. Sometimes he sets/throws from the top of the Pass Line. Sometimes from the bottom. His release was at different heights/times for the same throws (come out or after point). The dice flung and rolled different directions nearly every single time he threw the dice.Quote: TankoDice setter at play.
Crossed sixes on the come out, 3V after the point.
NOTHING about this guys throws at all looks replicable or reliable. Let alone I guarantee I could take a video of one of his next throws where he 7's out on the first few throws and post it all the same.
No dice setting doesn't have any reliability.
Quote: autocarryIf the dice are hitting the Tits like they're supposed to is "dice setting" have any reliability?
No. The dice begin to pitch and spin the moment they become airborne. When they hit a surface, they pop in every direction.
There is no harm in using a quick 3V set as a courtesy to the players who appreciate an effort rather than a random toss.
I’ve rejected tips from a few players after one of my rare, good, but always random, 3V rolls. I once rejected a black chip.
If tips count, then maybe it does work.
Quote: TankoI’ve rejected tips from a few players after one of my rare, good, but always random, 3V rolls. I once rejected a black chip.
Why?
I start my day at the craps table with $1000 and in most cases can play more than 8 hrs Win/Lose of course.
but my lay strategy wins 6:1 if a seven gets rolled but its one time bet unless repeater sevens occur on come out.
Pretty consistent.
Quote: SOOPOOI play at Seneca Niagara in Niagara Falls USA. I play craps maybe once a year, usually because whoever I'm going with wants to play craps. When I play I play pass line with some odds and lots of come bets with odds, and occasionally bet on 6 and 8. So I will tend to lose but have a decent chance of getting lucky and win. But I do not expect to win when I play craps. When I play my favorite game at Seneca Niagara (they don't have Tiles), there are some times due to weak dealers I have an advantage, like definitely yesterday, but most days I just play against the 1-2% house edge, and hope to win (luck) but will more likely lose.
And you are correct, it doesn't matter whether anyone believes you or not. I am just telling you that no one here believes you have found some magic system that will reliably beat craps. No matter how many times you type it. No matter how many different ways you say it.
Just out of curiosity, your system was working last night so that you made $500. Why weren't you betting double so you could have made $1000?
After making $500, why didn't you just start over and make another $500?
Question? If someone can make 500/day playing at the casino and winning consistently, why risk your winning to win more. I could see letting it all ride at a vegas casino but if you're winning consistently, why not just make a comfortable living for yourself with the smaller wins?
Quote: LaymedownQuestion? If someone can make 500/day playing at the casino and winning consistently, why risk your winning to win more. I could see letting it all ride at a vegas casino but if you're winning consistently, why not just make a comfortable living for yourself with the smaller wins?
Unless someone is a good card counter or taking advantage of dealers exposing cards in carnival games, they can't win $500 A day consistently. It doesn't happen. Nobody does it. End of story.
ZCore13
instead of saying $500/day you should calculate what the casino's average take is then factor in the potential professional gamblers in the building average take home win.
For example: if 500 was the magic number and the casino's daily take was 1,000,000 per day then there only needs to be 2000 winners to break that casino or if you were to break down the daily amount in to per hour, the casino would make $41,667.00/hr
500/day is equal to 20.00 per hr per person if calculated on a 24hr pay roll multiplied by 2000 people to break the casino or just one Whale betting large amounts.
I know regulars at the casino making more than 300/hr now with no limitations. 500/day is nothing to the casino making 41k per hour.
Quote: LaymedownQuestion? If someone can make 500/day playing at the casino and winning consistently, why risk your winning to win more. I could see letting it all ride at a vegas casino but if you're winning consistently, why not just make a comfortable living for yourself with the smaller wins?
What technique works consistently when trying to win $500 a day, but fails when trying to win $600 a day? Think about it.....
There may be ways to consistently win in a casino, but craps is not one of them.......
Quote: SOOPOO
There may be ways to consistently win in a casino, but craps is not one of them.......
..... perhaps for 99% of the ones playing it.
Even system players using some sort of reverse betting strategies start off with a minimum bet.
Experience it for yourself at the tables. Go to a $5.00 minimum table and watch 99% of them lose their chips in just a short time.
I still bet the same amount at a $5.00 or even a $25 table. I can not confidently say my way of betting is consistent but I do see $500 days and also $1000.00 days from just a simple LAY ALL NUMBERS ON COME OUT THEN TAKE THEM DOWN system.
But I factor in that every shooter 100% of the time want to roll a seven on come out roll.
I also factor in an expectation to lose at least one of my bets 85% of the time
I also customize my lay bets by not laying all the numbers utilizing the trends of the shooters past history.
If I see a Dice setter rolling a bunch of 6,8's I will lay only the outside numbers.
I also try to keep a visual on what numbers come out with the dice set used. In most cases the all seven set is the dice set I am mostly familiar with for the come out roll.
Anything else I can add to the table gives me nothing but a better edge.
Quote: LaymedownWhat I find fails is the most is min betting. That's the bread and butter for the casino. even system players using some sort of reverse betting technique starts off with the minimum bet.
Experience it for yourself at the tables. Go to a $5.00 minimum table and watch 99% of them lose their chips in just a short time.
I still bet the same amount at a $5.00 or even a $25 table. I can not confidently say my way of betting is consistent but I do see $500 days and also $1000.00 days from just a simple LAY ALL NUMBERS ON COME OUT THEN TAKE THEM DOWN system.
But I factor in that every shooter 100% of the time want to roll a seven on come out roll.
I also factor in an expectation to lose at least one of my bets 85% of the time
I also customize my lay bets by not laying all the numbers utilizing the trends of the shooters past history.
If I see a Dice setter rolling a bunch of 6,8's I will lay only the outside numbers.
I also try to keep a visual on what numbers come out with the dice set used. In most cases the all seven set is the dice set I am mostly familiar with for the come out roll.
Anything else I can add to the table gives me nothing but a better edge.
Nothing you do give you a better edge other than making wagers that are a lower hold percentage. And nobody is making $500, $600, $700, $800, $900, or any other number you want to list, playing craps on a regular basis.
ZCore13
Quote: WatchMeWin..... perhaps for 99% of the ones playing it.
Please inform us of how much you're winning then and how many hours you logged at the craps table. Then people will take you seriously. Until then, you're one of 2 options. You're a casino shill or you're a troll.
Quote: LaymedownQuestion? If someone can make 500/day playing at the casino and winning consistently, why risk your winning to win more. I could see letting it all ride at a vegas casino but if you're winning consistently, why not just make a comfortable living for yourself with the smaller wins?
Is this post for real? How can someone be this uneducated about 'gambling'. Comfortable living off craps? Basing your results off short term variance? No wonder they build casinos. Geez.
