MrV
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June 3rd, 2016 at 2:06:05 PM permalink
Out of a clear blue sky the following idea for a new craps play occurred to me (at least it's new to me):

It's a one roll bet that the number you bet on will NOT roll; sort of the inverse of midnight, yo etc.

I suppose all numbers could be bet on, and the payoffs calculated accordingly.

The thing that would likely make it unpalatable is the need to bet a lot to win a little; I haven't done the math to set likely wager amounts and appropriate payouts, but if for example you pick "six," you'd probably have to risk about $30 or maybe a bit more in order to win $5 if the six does not roll, which of course is most of the time.

The bettor keeps his wager plus the winnings if the number does not roll, and loses it if the number bet on is rolled.

I doubt it would ever play in Peoria, let alone Las Vegas, but hey, maybe there is something new about craps under the sun?
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June 3rd, 2016 at 2:31:29 PM permalink
My gut instinct is that you'd have to wager a lot more than $30 to win $5. There's a lot of bets to cover if you're trying to go the route of "I win money so long as ANYTHING except a 6 comes up."
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June 3rd, 2016 at 2:36:32 PM permalink
Correct, I haven't really thought it through, but an amount could be determined that the casinos would accept.

They aren't the problem with the play; the question is, would people play it?

Probably not, but you never know, especially if the HA is low.
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June 3rd, 2016 at 3:13:21 PM permalink
Quote: Romes

My gut instinct is that you'd have to wager a lot more than $30 to win $5. There's a lot of bets to cover if you're trying to go the route of "I win money so long as ANYTHING except a 6 comes up."



It would just be the opposite of what they are now. 12 would be 1 to 30
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June 3rd, 2016 at 3:31:37 PM permalink
Dice RollCombinationsOdds to HitOdds to Not HitProbability
21 1/36 35/360.9722
32 1/18 17/180.9444
43 1/12 11/120.9167
54 1/9 8/9 0.8889
65 5/36 31/360.8611
76 1/6 5/6 0.8333
85 5/36 31/360.8611
94 1/9 8/9 0.8889
103 1/12 11/120.9167
112 1/18 17/180.9444
121 1/36 35/360.9722


You should be able to figure it out from there. Personally, what I think would be better is to have an extra two wager system with any number 8 or higher and any number 6 or lower. It could replace the Big-6 and Big-8 table settings. It basically has a 0.3056 probability to hit which would more than likely allow for a 1.5x payout similar to a field bet on every roll.
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June 3rd, 2016 at 4:07:19 PM permalink
Yes, come up with something to keep folks interested.
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June 3rd, 2016 at 4:45:49 PM permalink
Quote: JoelDeze

Personally, what I think would be better is to have an extra two wager system with any number 8 or higher and any number 6 or lower. It could replace the Big-6 and Big-8 table settings. It basically has a 0.3056 probability to hit which would more than likely allow for a 1.5x payout similar to a field bet on every roll.

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June 3rd, 2016 at 5:53:56 PM permalink
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A respected gambling author reminded me about fifteen years ago that after if forty years of some of the brightest mathematicians in the world , working with some of the most sophisticated computers didn't find a system to win using only bet variations, the odds are that I won't either.
It's fun to try, though.
What's strange is they often work great the first time or two.
I remember the time I "invented" the Martindale. Playing SicBo, I turned a $1 bet into almost $400..
Next day, I made $275.
Day three, I lost it all plus my $500 bank.
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June 3rd, 2016 at 7:53:28 PM permalink
Wont work. Dice setters would bankrupt tge casino.
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June 4th, 2016 at 4:35:30 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

Quote: miplet

Already exists as High Dice, Low Dice.



A respected gambling author reminded me about fifteen years ago that after if forty years of some of the brightest mathematicians in the world , working with some of the most sophisticated computers didn't find a system to win using only bet variations, the odds are that I won't either.
It's fun to try, though.
What's strange is they often work great the first time or two.
I remember the time I "invented" the Martindale. Playing SicBo, I turned a $1 bet into almost $400..
Next day, I made $275.
Day three, I lost it all plus my $500 bank.

Are you trying to tell us that some average Joe shmo isn't smarter than some of the brightest mathematicians in the world who use the most sophisticated computers around?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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June 4th, 2016 at 8:31:32 AM permalink
Axel



What I will tell you is some of the smartest math guys in the
world do not have a clue as to how to win at the craps
table.

Is that really surprising when the so-call smartest people are
running our country and we are 19 trillion debt and over
120 trillion in unfunded liabilities....

I will take some one with lots of experience in the real world over
that smart math guy any day of the week and twice on Sunday
when it comes to many things in life.

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June 4th, 2016 at 9:38:13 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: billryan

Quote: miplet

Already exists as High Dice, Low Dice.



A respected gambling author reminded me about fifteen years ago that after if forty years of some of the brightest mathematicians in the world , working with some of the most sophisticated computers didn't find a system to win using only bet variations, the odds are that I won't either.
It's fun to try, though.
What's strange is they often work great the first time or two.
I remember the time I "invented" the Martindale. Playing SicBo, I turned a $1 bet into almost $400..
Next day, I made $275.
Day three, I lost it all plus my $500 bank.

Are you trying to tell us that some average Joe shmo isn't smarter than some of the brightest mathematicians in the world who use the most sophisticated computers around?



Shocking, but true.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
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June 4th, 2016 at 7:21:53 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: billryan

Quote: miplet

Already exists as High Dice, Low Dice.



A respected gambling author reminded me about fifteen years ago that after if forty years of some of the brightest mathematicians in the world , working with some of the most sophisticated computers didn't find a system to win using only bet variations, the odds are that I won't either.
It's fun to try, though.
What's strange is they often work great the first time or two.
I remember the time I "invented" the Martindale. Playing SicBo, I turned a $1 bet into almost $400..
Next day, I made $275.
Day three, I lost it all plus my $500 bank.

Are you trying to tell us that some average Joe shmo isn't smarter than some of the brightest mathematicians in the world who use the most sophisticated computers around?



Shocking, but true.

I was talking in regards to betting systems period. It doesn't matter if you are the smartest person in the world or not there's no such thing as a working betting system.

You can't trick a negative EV Game and make it a positive one.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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