guitarmandp
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May 25th, 2016 at 6:52:23 AM permalink
So what happens if I'm shooting and I hit my win goal? Do I lay zero odds? I feel very awkward passing the dice after I've hit a point during a good roll. A few days back I told myself I'd leave if I won $500. After the third pass I was up just over $500 and decided to lay 0 odds as I would have been down $100 from my win goal if I missed and who knows if I would have ever gotten back to $500.

Anyways I probably made 6 or 7 passes that night but I laid no or little odds because I did not want to go below my $500 win for the night. I know it's like a sin on this forum to not lay odds so I'm just wondering what everybody else does. Again I think it's disrespectful to the other players if I am having a hot roll and I pass the dice.
Romes
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May 25th, 2016 at 7:10:08 AM permalink
It's honestly up to you. While you might think you're on a "hot" role what if you'd 7 out on the next roll and lose for everyone and passing the dice would "save" them? You don't know and will never know without throwing the dice. Every roll is independent so there's no such thing as "streaks" even though yes I'm sure it feels like it sometimes.

If you have a win goal and a loss limit, it really is up to you if you want to strictly stick to them. I would suggest doing so if your'e going to take the bother to set them for yourself. Are you on a budget? Do you need to keep within those bounds or is it more of a fun number?

Odds, in the long run, are ERRONEOUS. They have 0 house or player edge and simply accentuate your wins or losses since they are paid at exact odds. So don't worry about playing odds as your Expected Value (EV) on them is 0 (not winning nor losing) in the long run. This is why most casinos don't even mark your odds for your average bet.

At the end of the day, if you feel uncomfortable or you don't want to pass the dice, just put down the table min on the pass and play nothing else. It's all up to how you feel and what you want to do. I could understand other "superstitious" craps players grumbling if you leave after making a point, but it's your money who cares. Hell, I'd be willing to bet most of the time they'll put up your pass line to keep you around. Now that's plus EV =).
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GWAE
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May 25th, 2016 at 9:44:45 AM permalink
pretty simple, if you hit your goal and want to leave then pull as many bets as you can and keep rolling. If you need to color up you have to wait until the roll is over anyways so you might as well keep rolling.
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Ayecarumba
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May 25th, 2016 at 9:49:25 AM permalink
My advice is to never walk away from a "hot" roll.

That being said, if you hit your win goal, lock up the win and start a new "session" with your usual opening base bet. Play and press as if you just walked up to the table for the first time for the night, and do not dip into the locked up win from the prior session. Should you hit your loss limit in the new session, walk. If you hit your win goal for the second session, lock it up and start again. You should feel free to adjust your win goal at this point since you have locked up two sessions on the plus side.

The key here is the discipline to not dip into the locked up "wins".
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odiousgambit
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May 25th, 2016 at 10:05:37 AM permalink
Quote: Romes

Odds, in the long run, are ERRONEOUS.



I'm going to surprise Romes and agree; in this caseyou make it sound like you only add odds to increase your chance of winning.

That they do indeed is not correct. But maybe you didn't mean to put it exactly how you did.

The odds give you an opportunity to place a great deal of your total action on a fair bet. Again, I'll use the example of $25 on the line that could be instead $5 with 20 of it on free odds. There's just no reason to ever change back to $25 on the line.

did in fact you go back in this case to a lowerline bet? That does suggest you are happy with the action you get at the lower amount. Adding odds that are above what you really like to bet doesnt make sense.
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TwoFeathersATL
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May 25th, 2016 at 10:26:57 AM permalink
Quote: GWAE

pretty simple, if you hit your goal and want to leave then pull as many bets as you can and keep rolling. If you need to color up you have to wait until the roll is over anyways so you might as well keep rolling.

I don't know where to start, where to start to explain, someone hit their 'win' goal and should walk away?
Helloooooo? Is anyone listening?

Everyone gets the opportunity to play the game ( almost everyone ). You got a win goal and want to walk out? That makes perfect sense if you never walk 'in' again. If you ever walk' 'in again', then perhaps you missed something. Smart people here. They mostly help, I'll let them now.

If you are on the ground bleeding, and dying, beware the birds that come talk to you.....

We were talkin' crap(s) right?
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Romes
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May 25th, 2016 at 11:14:41 AM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

I'm going to surprise Romes and agree; in this case...

Ha, indeed color me surprised =).
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ahiromu
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May 25th, 2016 at 1:45:41 PM permalink
Set your win goal for chips in rack (minus prospective odds) rather than total chips on the table. Or, just let your win goal be fluid. +450 instead of +500 really shouldn't mean much.

I've always found win goals to be silly, your life is just one long session. With that said, don't let the specific amount dictate something as "important" as a hot roll. If you need to adjust your win goal on the fly from 500 to 400 because of what you "feel", do it. You're putting too much significance on a number that is an arbitrary stopping point.
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dicesitter
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May 25th, 2016 at 2:27:20 PM permalink
Ayecarumba




good post



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