Specific Don't Come Question
Quote: FleaStiffAnd while you are at it... could someone explain to me the difference between laying odds on your DonTCome bet and making a LAY bet.
A lay bet can be made on any of the possible point numbers at any time; the dark side equivalent of a buy bet: got to pay vig for it.
Laying odds on a don't come means you are stuck with that one number, but no vig.
Quote: valoemOne more question, if I want to do a standard lay bet on a 10 for example (not don't come lay), is the vig on lays only taken if the bet wins by default, or do you have to pay a vig win or lose?
Each casino is different. Some places charge for the vig up front, while others charge only when it pays.
Note that the vig costs 5% of the payout, not 5% of the bet! So a $200 no-10 which pays $100, would cost 0.05*$100=$5. Or a $240 no-8 which pays $200 would have a $10 vig.
Quote: RSEach casino is different. Some places charge for the vig up front, while others charge only when it pays.
Note that the vig costs 5% of the payout, not 5% of the bet! So a $200 no-10 which pays $100, would cost 0.05*$100=$5. Or a $240 no-8 which pays $200 would have a $10 vig.
What is standard in AC and Vegas?
Quote: valoemQuote: RSEach casino is different. Some places charge for the vig up front, while others charge only when it pays.
Note that the vig costs 5% of the payout, not 5% of the bet! So a $200 no-10 which pays $100, would cost 0.05*$100=$5. Or a $240 no-8 which pays $200 would have a $10 vig.
What is standard in AC and Vegas?
Don't think there is a standard. Probably 50/50.
Quote: valoemAnother question I know it is stupid, but if you take down the dont pass or dont come (not the odds but the original bet) mid roll, can you put it back up on the same round or do you have to wait to the next round?
No. Once it's picked up you can't put it back down.
Quote: valoemAnother question I know it is stupid, but if you take down the dont pass or dont come (not the odds but the original bet) mid roll, can you put it back up on the same round or do you have to wait to the next round?
The Don't pass bet is gone until next come-out roll. You may however re-bet a Don't come bet every roll that is not a come-out roll.
Quote: valoemQuote: RSEach casino is different. Some places charge for the vig up front, while others charge only when it pays.
Note that the vig costs 5% of the payout, not 5% of the bet! So a $200 no-10 which pays $100, would cost 0.05*$100=$5. Or a $240 no-8 which pays $200 would have a $10 vig.
What is standard in AC and Vegas?
In AC, I have always paid the vig up front.
Nowhere in North America and probably nowhere else in the world, either.Quote: valoemAre there any lay bets besides on the 4,5,6,8,9,10? Also can you lay 1:9 or 1:7 on hard ways 6,8,4,10?
Is the odds on Wikipedia right?
It say the true odds for any seven is 5:1, but pays 4:1, I am getting 6/35 = 5.8:1 for true odds
Which is correct?
Also it says:
C & E (the combined bet) 3:1 on 2,3,12 (craps); 7:1 for 11 (yo)
I thought the odds for C and E were 7:1 on 2,3,12; and 15:1 for 11 (yo) with the total bet split between the two.
not at regular CrapsQuote: valoemAre there any lay bets besides on the 4,5,6,8,9,10?
but
Crapless Craps
like in Tunica
you can Lay against all the numbers rooting for the 7.
Lay the 12 for $1200!
That Lay pays
Lay Lay Lay Layla
all the numbers!
Have NO FEAR!!
no-no Lay against the hardwaysQuote: valoemAlso can you lay 1:9 or 1:7 on hard ways 6,8,4,10?
looks like you do not know about the basics on Lay bets. (unless you just askin' fur fun)
they be a bet that wins on a 7 and no-win (lose) on the number
hardways lose when an easy way shows.
watch-out for all the sucker bets
unless you like suckers
Sally
how you figure?Quote: valoemIt say the true odds for any seven is 5:1, but pays 4:1, I am getting 6/35 = 5.8:1 for true odds
Which is correct?
Quote: RSEach casino is different. Some places charge for the vig up front, while others charge only when it pays.
Note that the vig costs 5% of the payout, not 5% of the bet! So a $200 no-10 which pays $100, would cost 0.05*$100=$5. Or a $240 no-8 which pays $200 would have a $10 vig.
$240 no 8 would be a bad bet, wouldn't it? You have breakage with $240.Since you are on the darkside, multiples of 7 are required (7:6). Lay $210 to win $180.
Quote: mustangsallyhow you figure?
There are six ways to roll a 7 (1-6, 2-5, 3-4, 6-1, 5-2, 4-3) 35 possible combinations since you can't roll a 1. 35/6 = 5.8333 so 5.83:1 or 17.1% chance to hit a seven.
Wikipedia says true odds are 5:1 for any seven so about .83 short of my calculation of true odds.
Also C-E bet Craps pays 7:1 if I am correct and Yo (11) pays 15:1. Wikipedia says 3:1 and 7:1 not sure which is correct.
agreeQuote: valoemThere are six ways to roll a 7 (1-6, 2-5, 3-4, 6-1, 5-2, 4-3)
i agree one can not roll a 1 with 2 dice (standard casino dice that is)Quote: valoem35 possible combinations since you can't roll a 1.
but that still leaves 36 ways the dice can land
Outcome/Combinations Of 2 Dice
#2 /1-1
#3 /1-2, 2-1
#4 /1-3, 2-2, 3-1
#5 /1-4, 2-3, 3-2, 4-1
#6 /1-5, 2-4, 3-3, 4-2, 5-1
#7 /1-6, 2-5, 3-4, 4-3, 5-2, 6-1
#8 /2-6, 3-5, 4-4, 5-3, 6-2
#9 /3-6, 4-5, 5-4, 6-3
#10 /4-6, 5-5, 6-4
#11 /5-6, 6-5
#12 /6-6
at least you were closeQuote: valoem35/6 = 5.8333 so 5.83:1 or 17.1% chance to hit a seven.
"missed it by THAT much"
I like 36/6 and 6/36Quote: valoemWikipedia says true odds are 5:1 for any seven so about .83 short of my calculation of true odds.
all guys like 36 right? (likes 36-24-36)
3:1 and 7:1 are for the split C&E bet total payoff with the bet still up to win when the #11 pays 15 to 1.Quote: valoemAlso C-E bet Craps pays 7:1 if I am correct and Yo (11) pays 15:1.
Wikipedia says 3:1 and 7:1 not sure which is correct.
$1 C and
$1 E ($2 total bet)
#11 rolls
pays $15 - $1 that lost for a total to B $14 or 7 times the bet of $2 (the total C&E) bet
simple math when the whole picture is viewed
have funs!
Sally
you mean Michael Jackson Bad!Quote: RaleighCraps$240 no 8 would be a bad bet, wouldn't it?
We BAD!!
hahahahahaQuote: RaleighCrapsYou have breakage with $240.
Since you are on the darkside, multiples of 7 are required (7:6). Lay $210 to win $180.
I bet the UNDER and took the points on the LA Lakers today
I just was having too much fun to bet more than $500
did not even watch the game
that too is bad
Lay bets RULE!!!
Sally
Quote: valoemThat's what I thought
Is the odds on Wikipedia right?
It say the true odds for any seven is 5:1, but pays 4:1, I am getting 6/35 = 5.8:1 for true odds
Sally answered this, but in case you missed it, 6/36 or 1/6 is correct - but I think you were also confused by notation. If the probabilities [eschewing the substitute word 'odds' which is sometimes used]... if the probabilities are 1/6 [notation for 'one in six'] then the odds are 1:5 [proper use of the word 'odds'] which is said as '1 to 5 odds' and that is the notation used. Or, turning it around, 5:1
Quote: mustangsallyagree
i agree one can not roll a 1 with 2 dice (standard casino dice that is)
but that still leaves 36 ways the dice can land
Outcome/Combinations Of 2 Dice
#2 /1-1
#3 /1-2, 2-1
#4 /1-3, 2-2, 3-1
#5 /1-4, 2-3, 3-2, 4-1
#6 /1-5, 2-4, 3-3, 4-2, 5-1
#7 /1-6, 2-5, 3-4, 4-3, 5-2, 6-1
#8 /2-6, 3-5, 4-4, 5-3, 6-2
#9 /3-6, 4-5, 5-4, 6-3
#10 /4-6, 5-5, 6-4
#11 /5-6, 6-5
#12 /6-6
at least you were close
"missed it by THAT much"
I like 36/6 and 6/36
all guys like 36 right? (likes 36-24-36)
3:1 and 7:1 are for the split C&E bet total payoff with the bet still up to win when the #11 pays 15 to 1.
$1 C and
$1 E ($2 total bet)
#11 rolls
pays $15 - $1 that lost for a total to B $14 or 7 times the bet of $2 (the total C&E) bet
simple math when the whole picture is viewed
have funs!
Sally
So when the total bet is up its the payout 7:1 for craps and 15:1 for Yo with the bet divided by two, but because it is split the odds are 3:1 and 7:1? That doesn't make sense, is it still paying 7:1 and 15:1 or 3:1 and 7:1?
Not for lay bets or don't odds. For them, it is 6 to 5.Quote: RaleighCraps$240 no 8 would be a bad bet, wouldn't it? You have breakage with $240. Since you are on the darkside, multiples of 7 are required (7:6). Lay $210 to win $180.
Quote: odiousgambitSally answered this, but in case you missed it, 6/36 or 1/6 is correct - but I think you were also confused by notation. If the probabilities [eschewing the substitute word 'odds' which is sometimes used]... if the probabilities are 1/6 [notation for 'one in six'] then the odds are 1:5 [proper use of the word 'odds'] which is said as '1 to 5 odds' and that is the notation used. Or, turning it around, 5:1
How can 5:1 be the true odds for any seven? If I hop a (4-3) I am getting 15:1. So if I put $10 and 4-3 rolls I get 150 plus my ten back (for a total of 160) if I take it down my original bet correct? So if I decided to hop the entire 7 and bet $30 I would be be putting $10 on 1-6 $10 on 2-5 and $10 on 3-4. If I bet any seven this way and it hits it would be paying me $150 plus my one of my $10 back for a total of $160. Winning $150 gives me 5:1 for my $30 (but I lose $20 guaranteed) so this is a much better bet than to bet the any seven am I correct?
Quote: SanchoPanzaNot for lay bets or don't odds. For them, it is 6 to 5.
Yeah, I realized after I went to bed, that I had been thinking about a Don't Place bet, which was pretty stupid, since I have never been in a casino that took a Don't Place bet.
My mind is a terrible thing to waste.................
because there are 30 ways to not roll a 7 and 6 ways to roll a 7Quote: valoemHow can 5:1 be the true odds for any seven?
odds are then expressed this way
30:6 or 30 to 6 against
30:6 and 5:1 are the same ratio
this would be true odds payoff
win 30 for each 6 bet
win 5 for each 1 bet
of course the casino only pays you
$4 on a $1 bet (you can get your bet back but that is not part of the payoff)
I too like 3 way 7 bets
they win in bunches, like bananas
Place to LoseQuote: RaleighCrapsYeah, I realized after I went to bed, that I had been thinking about a Don't Place bet, which was pretty stupid, since I have never been in a casino that took a Don't Place bet.
bets
are always allowed on the Interblock Craps and Shoot to Win Craps machines
they can be found in many places in the USA
watch out for the machine to turn the Place to Lose
bets OFF on a come out roll
you want to win - turn them ON
turn on
Quote: DeMangoChicken pays $6. Eggs pay $14. Plus $2 (@) if you come down. You can find these answers and so much more on The Wizard of Odds website.
Are you sure, because have your bet is on the C and E, so if I hit yo I lose my C bet don't I?
i agree as long as the Eleven pays 15 to 1 or 16 for 1Quote: valoemWhat about the C-E bet if you bet $2 on the C-E and the shooter hit 11 do you get 7:1 on the $2
here is a $2 C&E winner in Wincraps when a Yo is rolled
net profit is 7 times the bet
here is for when a craps# is rolled
net profit is 3 times the bet
if you want the bet down after a Yo just rolledQuote: valoemso $14 + your $2 back for $16 total or 7:1 on $2 plus $1 (half your bet) to get $15, $14 plus $1 back?
it will be 8 times your bet
***
this is easily seen when you treat a C&E bet as 2 separate bets
cuz there are
no curve balls from me
Sally
Quote: mustangsally
if you want the bet down after a Yo just rolled
it will be 8 times your bet
***
this is easily seen when you treat a C&E bet as 2 separate bets
cuz there are
no curve balls from me
Sally
Am I miss reading here, am I confused the program says if you bet $2 and hit yo you get 15:1 on $1 and lose the other one dollars so a total of $15 with a net profit of $14, then you said if you take is down it's 8x which means you get your full $2 back. The program you posted say $1 dollar back so it would be 7.5x not 8x if you take it down, am I correct?
let us seeQuote: valoemThe program you posted say $1 dollar back so it would be 7.5x not 8x if you take it down, am I correct?
you have $2 to your name and make a $2 C&E bet ($1 on each)
an 11 rolls and you scream loud and long, hi-5ing everyone around you.
you say to your Dealer
"I want my bet down please so I can go have at least 8 hot-dogs" (cool)
he hands to you $16 and says good luck!
did he over pay you?
$1 on the C lost
$1 on the E won and paid $15
$15+$1 = $16 and down (all yours!)
hot-dog!
Quote: mustangsallylet us see
you have $2 to your name and make a $2 C&E bet ($1 on each)
an 11 rolls and you scream loud and long, hi-5ing everyone around you.
you say to your Dealer
"I want my bet down please so I can go have at least 8 hot-dogs" (cool)
he hands to you $16 and says good luck!
did he over pay you?
$1 on the C lost
$1 on the E won and paid $15
$15+$1 = $16 and down (all yours!)
hot-dog!
What no. $15 won MINUS $1 on the C for $14 profit PLUS $1 for total revenue of $15, not $16 that's what your program said.
Quote: mustangsally
net profit is 7 times the bet
here is for when a craps# is rolled
exactly $14 and the $2 C&E bet is still up to win againQuote: valoemWhat no. $15 won MINUS $1 on the C for $14 profit PLUS $1 for total revenue of $15, not $16 that's what your program said.
that is your choice
or
$16 and down and hot dogs
your choice too
Quote: mustangsallyexactly $14 and the $2 C&E bet is still up to win again
that is your choice
or
$16 and down and hot dogs
your choice too
Thanks so you do get the whole bet back I was not sure.
Quote: FatGeezusQuote: valoemQuote: RSEach casino is different. Some places charge for the vig up front, while others charge only when it pays.
Note that the vig costs 5% of the payout, not 5% of the bet! So a $200 no-10 which pays $100, would cost 0.05*$100=$5. Or a $240 no-8 which pays $200 would have a $10 vig.
What is standard in AC and Vegas?
In AC, I have always paid the vig up front.
IIRC I have in Vegas too. 4/10 are the most likely to hit on a lay bet, so really they should do "vig on win only" for laying the 6/8. I have never done a lay bet on 6 or 8 though.
Why would you do that to add to such a negative position? At least with odds, you get the best bet in every casino.Quote: valoemCan a player increase their pass line bet after the come out roll (not bet odds but increase the pass line bet itself after a point has been established), can a player increase the come bet after a come point has been established?
Quote: valoemCan a player increase their pass line bet after the come out roll (not bet odds but increase the pass line bet itself after a point has been established), can a player increase the come bet after a come point has been established?
If I were running the game, I'd allow it. That alone should tell you that you should never do it!
