MB
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January 23rd, 2016 at 5:48:08 PM permalink
Last night, I saw the dealers call "no action" on some guy's $200 DP odds when the point was 9. After explaining the odds paid 2:3, the guy made his odds $225 before the next throw and all was well.

I challenged the dealers saying that this casino routinely short pays pass & come odds (e.g. paying $22 for a winner on $15 pass line odds when the point in 5/9). They did not respond. Did the dealers get this wrong? It was weird because ALL of them were quick to agree with the "no action" call.

FWIW, this was Fallsview casino in Niagara Falls, Ontario, Canada.
Actuarial
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January 23rd, 2016 at 5:56:59 PM permalink
No action prior to a 7 out right? I've never heard of no-actioning odds just because the payouts aren't chip-denominational. The only time I've been a in a possible no-action scenario is when a guy bet $10 on the don't on a $10 table and they said the minimum bet was $20. They still allowed the payout of $5 though.
FleaStiff
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January 23rd, 2016 at 6:27:13 PM permalink
Better check your terminology... casuse this stuff confuses me.

Normally its the PLAYER who calls no action often at the suggestion of the dealer/crew who've learned the guy's intentions. In that case his bet does NOT travel to its new location but remains there as as forthecoming Don't Pass bet.

The Wizard and others cringe at such mathematical absurdity.

Players sometimes like it. I even did it for a while and kept winning.

Players on the Don't happen to prefer to be "Don't a Four or Ten"... rather than 'don't a Six or Eight'.

As to ODDS... heck, if there is a miscount travel the bet and let the guy make up for overage/underage.
ahiromu
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January 23rd, 2016 at 7:34:28 PM permalink
Perhaps you missed an argument between the dealer and the player? It would be odd for the dealer to waive off a legitimate bet, I mean it underpays, but $200 is within the bounds of the rules. However, if the player put down $200, then the dealer told him to put down $25 more, and then they started discussing it and the dice flew... I could see the dealer waiving it off while the dice were in the air. The other dealers siding with their fellow dealer over you isn't surprising.

Why should the casino round a payout up? True payout of $15 odds is $22.50, why should they pay you $23 instead of $22? This is normal operating procedure.

I feel like nothing is out of the ordinary here.
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ontariodealer
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January 23rd, 2016 at 8:10:39 PM permalink
200 doesn't work..the dealer should have yelled the nearest increment that works like 198 goes or 180 goes....it could have been the guy was habitually late putting them down and the dealers were getting back at him.
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ahiromu
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January 23rd, 2016 at 10:45:27 PM permalink
Quote: ontariodealer

200 doesn't work..the dealer should have yelled the nearest increment that works like 198 goes or 180 goes....it could have been the guy was habitually late putting them down and the dealers were getting back at him.



You're saying that it isn't allowed? Surprises me, thought it would be just another rounding situation.
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RS
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January 24th, 2016 at 1:37:22 AM permalink
I've called plenty of bets as "no bet" as a dealer.

Sometimes it's because it's a late bet (most common "no bet").

Sometimes it's a weird amount or some amount a player normally wouldn't make.

Sometimes the player was a total a**hole.

Other times the bet amount is unclear or ambiguous (ie: player throws a green chip [on a $5 table] says he wants 6 & 8).


Usually it's a combination of things, especially with it being late or semi/almost late (ie: dice begin moving).
MB
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January 24th, 2016 at 4:17:35 AM permalink
After reading the replies, I realize my original post used the wrong terminology. The dealers called "no bet" not "no action".

The player in question wasn't doing anything to attract negative attention.
MB
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January 24th, 2016 at 4:24:30 AM permalink
Quote: ahiromu

The other dealers siding with their fellow dealer over you isn't surprising.


I didn't say anything until a couple minutes after the incident. I know better than to try and get involved in a gambling dispute.

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Why should the casino round a payout up? True payout of $15 odds is $22.50, why should they pay you $23 instead of $22? This is normal operating procedure.


I wasn't implying that the payout should be rounded up. This was just an example where rounding (in the cadino's favor) occurred without any intervention from the dealers.
rushdl
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January 24th, 2016 at 8:02:46 AM permalink
Here in when I accidentally lay odds and don't know if its right I say to the dealer eyeballing my stack, "can you make my odds right"? If you do get that $200 odds out there without fanfare, and you win, they should pay you the $132 for the $198 and give the "over" $2 back (first). Then they "should" explain to you how to lay odds on that number. Then again, they may yell "No Bet", and do it next roll!

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